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Harty SOCKS it to Barber in the Worthing Herald
- Thread starter Ernest
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Doesn't the thread title need 'AGAIN' at the end of it?
Working class pride
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Burnley and since 1984 we have seen Wimbledon, Wigan, Charlton, all sorts of clubs. But never the Albion. The desire for a side to match the support is a natural one. But it just never happens at Brighton.
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
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Agree with EVERY word.
Stadium, facilities blah blah blah. Best in League one soon. Do what Palace dis invest on what runs around on the ****ing grass and gets results. Selhurst is hardly saubrious but **** me I would swap positions in a hearbeat.
Stadium, facilities blah blah blah. Best in League one soon. Do what Palace dis invest on what runs around on the ****ing grass and gets results. Selhurst is hardly saubrious but **** me I would swap positions in a hearbeat.
Working class pride
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The Albion needed a ground after Archer. The Albion needed a training ground after Archer. Then its not up to anyone else to spend Bloom's money for him. I see the desire for the team to match the support and =yes its galling that we have witnessed Wigan, palace,, Burnley and clubs of their sized support pay for better sides than us. But you cant blame Bloom. Mu view is that Poyet got it 90% right but messed it up as he couldnt get his forwards right. Letting Murray go and buying CMS was dreadful business, and cost us top flight football.
Kuipers Supporters Club
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Totally understand why people are cautious about the 'British manager please comment' - but the evidence shows that British managers are better at being promoted than 'Foreign' managers from this division.
Monsieur Le Plonk
Lethargy in motion
Agree with most of this but don't forget that you saw us playing in the top flight and get to a Cup Final. No, we didn't win anything but there's a lot of fans who have never got to wallow in the heady heights of the top league. They may not hang about forever whilst we work out how to do it again.
MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
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AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW
There are so many issues with Harty’s article – and I firmly believe it’s worth highlighting these before they become entrenched in the minds of those who, in fits of the ‘9 game win-drought grumps’ might unquestioningly adopt them. The article jumps around so many perceived Barber wrongs and manages to be absolutely wrong in most cases, and inaccurate on others.
His dismissal of Barber’s listing of some of the features of the match-day experience which might mitigate against the BBC Survey results is illuminating. Firstly it implies that all fans have exactly the same standard of ‘value’ as himself. It also hints at a masochistic desire to not have comfy seats or unimpeded views of the pitch; to return to the days (and places) where he was more important to the club.
More obviously he has omitted entirely the most significant mitigation; that of the travel subsidy.
He then strays into presentation-of-speculation-as-fact territory regarding the impact of results on the attending fanbase. There was an excellent thread on here a while back with some nifty little charts showing attendances since 2011. None of these in any way indicate the level of apathy he describes. Again however, there is a nagging sense that he somehow wants this to happen.
Having repeated and extrapolated upon this guesswork he then turns his ire to the well trod ground of FFP. He asks “Is it in danger of becoming an excuse?” I’d suggest that Betteridge’s law of headlines applies here (if it ends in a question mark it can be answered “no”).
Of course his final throw of the dice is guff about a British manager; again there have been multiple threads on here showing the statistical insignificance of British vs Foreigh managers promoted from the Champo. You get the feeling that the entire piece was building up to this.
To invoke Churchill (and I hope with enough brevity for Harty); “This is the sort of nonsense up with which we shall not put.”
There are so many issues with Harty’s article – and I firmly believe it’s worth highlighting these before they become entrenched in the minds of those who, in fits of the ‘9 game win-drought grumps’ might unquestioningly adopt them. The article jumps around so many perceived Barber wrongs and manages to be absolutely wrong in most cases, and inaccurate on others.
His dismissal of Barber’s listing of some of the features of the match-day experience which might mitigate against the BBC Survey results is illuminating. Firstly it implies that all fans have exactly the same standard of ‘value’ as himself. It also hints at a masochistic desire to not have comfy seats or unimpeded views of the pitch; to return to the days (and places) where he was more important to the club.
More obviously he has omitted entirely the most significant mitigation; that of the travel subsidy.
He then strays into presentation-of-speculation-as-fact territory regarding the impact of results on the attending fanbase. There was an excellent thread on here a while back with some nifty little charts showing attendances since 2011. None of these in any way indicate the level of apathy he describes. Again however, there is a nagging sense that he somehow wants this to happen.
Having repeated and extrapolated upon this guesswork he then turns his ire to the well trod ground of FFP. He asks “Is it in danger of becoming an excuse?” I’d suggest that Betteridge’s law of headlines applies here (if it ends in a question mark it can be answered “no”).
Of course his final throw of the dice is guff about a British manager; again there have been multiple threads on here showing the statistical insignificance of British vs Foreigh managers promoted from the Champo. You get the feeling that the entire piece was building up to this.
To invoke Churchill (and I hope with enough brevity for Harty); “This is the sort of nonsense up with which we shall not put.”
Hotchilidog
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Except that Selhurst can notionally hold more than a WI meeting which Withdean could not. They could get away with still wallowing around in that sh*thole we HAD to move. That is the difference between the two situations. if you think we could have done better in a stadium that held 8,000 at best then you are a more optimistic man than I. We did not have the option of staying put and pouring all the money and more on the pitch. We needed the new stadium to be able to go forward.
el punal
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Please define old school. I've been supporting the Albion for nearly 50 years and believe it or not I appreciate what the club has done and is doing. Things may not be right on the pitch at the moment but hey all clubs suffer that. As it happens I enjoy the whole match day experience, please excuse the marketing parlance, and I'm not a sad act I'm just happy and gay.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Like the Manager of the team that took the p out of us last weekend?
An almost £1 million a month loss is doing ok?
glasfryn
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an watched a huge amount of **** on the way............it will happen again someday just hope I am around when it happens and at this rate I'm not betting on that.
all promises and as I said before smoke and mirrors
Working class pride
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Grombleton
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I understand that. Just that [MENTION=29828]Skylar[/MENTION] seems to consider anyone not 'old school' to be inferior. Just makes him look like a massive tool.
34064 Fighter Command
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Wimbledon - financial meltdown leading to Groundsharing and ADMINISTRATION in June 2003. That's why AFC Wimbledon and MK Dons exist - are you trying to forget historical facts or re-write history.
Charlton - see Wimbledon. Administration in 1984. A far bigger club than BHAFC.
Wigan - bankrolled by Dave Whelan. The only reason they've never needed administration. Would be completely screwed without him.
34064 Fighter Command
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What's stopping you watching Palace then if that's what you want? Or maybe you think we should vacate the Amex and groundshare at Selhurst!!!!
Working class pride
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Wimbledon got relegated and went down to leagues their support was correct for and then MK stole their club.
Charlton - a far bigger club who get 10,000 less paying punters than us when higher in the same division. More successful, but not bigger.
Wigan - Agreed
None of what you post alters the simple fact that fans look around at clubs with smaller supports than Brighton and think, why, oh why did Brighton have to go into serial decline since 1984, have to have Archer, Gillingham, Withdean and then after all that, the club gets back on its feet, have 26000 paying every week but still a club like Burnley and Palace can reach the top flight but the Albion are in the lower leagues. I understand, parachute payments and the like but really, it is galling and natural for people to just shake their head and think "same old Brighton, never have had and never will have any desire for a bloody good team".
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Good GRIEF! Do you actually believe the thrupence-ha'penny travel sub has anything much to do with anything?
Not sure you know the meaning of the word 'brevity' mate. Tho you certainly know the meaning of the word 'nonsense'. IMHO, like.