Sompting_Seagull
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Twas on bbc news
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Hamza the Hook
- Thread starter Denver The Last Dinosaur
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Twas on bbc news
Barrel of Fun
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Unfortunately the law protects people like Hamza. I feel sick to the stomach that our system has supported him and given him a reasonable existence.
How has he survived thus far in Britain? Is he job hunting?
Definitely a fundamental flaw in our system, if he has managed to survive thus far.
How has he survived thus far in Britain? Is he job hunting?
Definitely a fundamental flaw in our system, if he has managed to survive thus far.
Sompting_Seagull
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tbh was just repeating what the wife told me, schoolboy error.
Thunder Bolt
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BBC News - Abu Hamza leaves Long Lartin prison for US extradition
The men left Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire in a police convoy.
Officers from the Metropolitan Police's extradition unit will hand them over US marshals at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk.
BensGrandad
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Still cant understand why they would take him to an RAF base rather than USAF base as it is them that want him and once in their base I am sure that it is like an Embassy and subject to USA laws, so effectively in the US at the moment of entry to the base.
I'm sure our current government are probably finding ways to close any loop holes or shorten the process of terror suspects being extradited after this fiasco.
Thunder Bolt
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Err, no it isn't.
How far is that from Brighton and would I beat the convoy? Want to give them a big
BensGrandad
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I wouldn't argue as I am not 100% sure but I am basing this on the fact that when I was in the Army stationed in Germany in camp we were subject to UK laws until we went out of the main gate when we became subject to German law. I am reasonably sure that I read the same applies to US bases. If my memory serves me well there was a case not long ago when a USAF chap committed a crime and the police couldn't do anything about it and the US took action..
the slow norris
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Believe mildenhall is very similar to its near neighbour raf lakenheath, whereby USAF are based there but it's still mod property. Lakenheath hosts an f15 squadron and I think mildenhall hosts the awac support planes. Usually see them run joint exercises.
Seagull over Canaryland
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'RAF' Mildenhall is only that in name - it is actually a huge logistical base for USAF transport planes so guess it makes sense to send our friend there for hand over and onward deportation. The Mildenhall base is next door to 'RAF' Lakenheath which is home of the 48th USAF Fighter Wing housing around seventy F15 fighters, so shouldn't be any worries about the flight leaving our airspace safely. They are a very common sight and very noisy sounds in the skies around these parts.
It's a bit curious that the nearest operational fighter base to London is actually American!
Sergei's Celebration
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RAF Mildenhall is a USAF base. Used for bombers during Iraq war for example. It means that they can arrive armed under current agreements and dont have the worlds media watching.
BensGrandad
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I know nothing about planes but are either of those capable of transporting 5 prisoners and their escorts to the USA. Or would they have planes that are or access to planes that are capable.
The Fifth Column
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Its because there is no such thing as a US Airforce base in the UK, they are all RAF bases that are effectively leased to the US such as RAF Mildenhall where Hamza has been taken to. Mildenhall is the home to various units from 4 different USAF commands but it remains British sovereign territory and subject to all British laws, the only exceptions in the UK to this rule are Embassies and Consulates which are generally considered sovereign territory of whichever nation occupies them.
The Fifth Column
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I think you may find that you were subject to British Military Law which is pretty much the same as UK Law with some notable military only laws hence why on some occasions local police will not be able to deal with you as a serviceman but military police will as you will have committed a military only offence. Generally speaking if offences take place on Military bases they are dealt with by the Military Police under their military law and I think this will include almost all offences including the most serious. In the event though a serious enough offence occurred that the local police wanted to get invloved I think there is a fair amount of co-operation and dual investigation however I believe the law of the land i.e UK Law takes precedence if push comes to shove.
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the slow norris
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Yes, the big transport planes from mildenhall will definitely be able to transport them. It's about 5 miles from me, so hopefully ill get the chance to wave goodbye to them all!
BensGrandad
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If driving from Limmasol to Paphos in Cyprus on the old coast road as you approach Episkopi base there is a sign saying that you are subject to UK laws and again as you leave saying that you have left and are subject to Cypriot.
Barrel of Fun
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I would hope so. They might as well do something useful.
Avoiding party politics, this guy has taken the piss for far too long.
Can we not befriend the governors of the arctic and send him there? The western society that he duly hates has given him a pleasant existence. A man lacking scruples and morality.