Get an ID card or get a £2500 fine

[captainmorganrum]

Cue mild outrage from cuddly liberal civil liberties types.

I think the government could do a lot more to close tax loopholes on the richest 5% rather than worry about the comparatively smaller amounts that the benefit fraudsters con the country out of.

mild enough for you?

All the best
Cuddly liberal type

 

[Biscuit]

Also, looking in my wallet, I have FIVE forms of state issued ID anyway - Passport, Driving licence, EHIC, DPS and SS cards - all of those last three serve virtually the same purpose, basically letting me rot on a trolley in a hospital A+E for ten days prior to getting a bed if I get ill

They don't need any more ID forms. Theres enough already.

You keep your passport in your wallet?

As you say, there is enough ID forms already.. the simple reply is the new ID card would mean you could leave the others at home! It contains all the information the others would, plus more. It consolidates all the information from your FIVE ID's into just ONE.

 

[Cian]

You keep your passport in your wallet?

As you say, there is enough ID forms already.. the simple reply is the new ID card would mean you could leave the others at home! It contains all the information the others would, plus more. It consolidates all the information from your FIVE ID's into just ONE.

I always take my passport with me. Best form of ID there is, as its the only fully state backed one.

A national ID card will replace the passport for within the EU ONLY. Theres no way the system will be run well enough for it to replace the EHIC. Theres little chance it'll replace the DPS card.

It might replace the SS card, but again, not guaranteed.

 

[Lammy]

What is the problem?

If you've nothing to hide, that is..

Everyone loves a good conspiricy of 'big brother' watching our every move.. when in reality they couldn't care what Joe at number 76 is up to. They are only alerted when people buy 'An Idiots Guid to Being a Terrorist' from e-bay!

It ISN'T AN INFRINGMENT on privacy, human, or cival rights. It is simply a way of checking if you really are who you say you are.

Someone mentioned Spain. The fact is, it means the Spainsh security forces are able to track those suspected of criminal activity..not by stalking them..but by getting print outs etc!

I have no problem with them what-so-ever.

So you have no problem with being FORCED to pay £35?

What happens if there is a computer error and your card is mistaken for that of a criminal?

Spain have had ID cards for ages now and it didn't stop them getting bombed by Al-Kyeeeeeeda or eta? So if the excuse is to have them to stop terrorists then it is proved not to work already. What is the other motive for it?

It's a bit like the hair-brained scheme to introduce satellite tracking of our cars so that we can abolish road tax. Again a total load of bollocks. Why not just put the tax on petrol? The more you drive the more you pay! It would actually save money.

Why not just make it compulsary for everyone to carry a passport? That would be a lot cheaper to implement and the vast majority of people already have them.

Don't be so gullable to believe what the government tell you is the truth. Do you think we invaded Iraq because they had WMD?

please...

 

[somerset]

You keep your passport in your wallet?

As you say, there is enough ID forms already.. the simple reply is the new ID card would mean you could leave the others at home! It contains all the information the others would, plus more. It consolidates all the information from your FIVE ID's into just ONE.

Biscuit, you've made an old git mildly happy,.. a young whippersnapper like you talking complete sense.....

 

[Biscuit]

I always take my passport with me. Best form of ID there is, as its the only fully state backed one.

A national ID card will replace the passport for within the EU ONLY. Theres no way the system will be run well enough for it to replace the EHIC. Theres little chance it'll replace the DPS card.

It might replace the SS card, but again, not guaranteed.

"A national ID card will replace the passport for within the EU ONLY." - Well D'uh! It'll mean you WONT have to carry your passport unless you go ABROAD. Seems a very strange argument your putting forward as this is EXACTLY how most people use a passport anyway. And it won't effect you as you can use the ID has a fully state backed ID, in this country, anyway.

 

[Cian]

"A national ID card will replace the passport for within the EU ONLY." - Well D'uh! It'll mean you WONT have to carry your passport unless you go ABROAD. Seems a very strange argument your putting forward as this is EXACTLY how most people use a passport anyway. And it won't effect you as you can use the ID has a fully state backed ID, in this country, anyway.

So I'll still need to carry SOMETHING with me to cross an apparently non-existant border since the Schengen Agreement?

Sorry, I think I'll keep me passport. Only cost me a tenner for three years and got me into Switzerland (never in Schengen) and Slovakia (not in it at that time).

I'd be 'replacing' one peice of ID with another. The other 4 would still be needed, and if leaving the Schengen area, I'd need all SIX with me.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

I dont see what the problem is with ID cards other then that they should be free.

I will have no problem carrying one and think they could be useful if they contain medical information as well such as any medication you are allergic to etc.

People see a conspiracy everywhere these days. I know the arguments people use against ID cards so please do not lecture me on them.

Surely having to carry about an ID card is a small price to pay if it does cut down on the things it is designed to.

 

[itszamora]

It's not so much that I'm opposed to the idea of ID cards (though a new one is totally unnecessary, what do you think my driving licence and passport are?) but I do resent being forced to hand over my cash on threat of a massive fine.

Though the goverment having a dossier on everyone in the country is rather worryingly big-brotherish if you ask me.

 

[Cian]

What will it cut down on?

Benifit fraud - thats what Social Security cards are for. Got one in my wallet already.

Name anything else it will ACTUALLY cut down on, not hyperbole about stuff that it apparently will stop but really won't, e.g. terrorism.

 

[Biscuit]

So you have no problem with being FORCED to pay £35?

What happens if there is a computer error and your card is mistaken for that of a criminal?

Spain have had ID cards for ages now and it didn't stop them getting bombed by Al-Kyeeeeeeda or eta? So if the excuse is to have them to stop terrorists then it is proved not to work already. What is the other motive for it?

It's a bit like the hair-brained scheme to introduce satellite tracking of our cars so that we can abolish road tax. Again a total load of bollocks. Why not just put the tax on petrol? The more you drive the more you pay! It would actually save money.

Why not just make it compulsary for everyone to carry a passport? That would be a lot cheaper to implement and the vast majority of people already have them.

Don't be so gullable to believe what the government tell you is the truth. Do you think we invaded Iraq because they had WMD?

please...

*rolls up sleaves* right, I'm going to have to take you all on...

Computer error - wrong guy arrested...I'd stop watching so manu movies mate.

Spain attacked while ID issued. No way.. are you telling me that an introductory scheme was able to be bypassed by a group of highly organised determind terrorist?! Come on, that was one... of how many attempts? 10, 20, 100 even? You don't know the full picture so you cannot use that as an example.

Hair-brained scheme - staellites - cars - etc.. maybe national security is more important that car tax? - either way, an irrilvent comment.

Compulsory Passport thingy - Great idea.. its not like paper documents can be faked.. the ID cards are virtually full proof with retina indentification etc.

Me - gullable - government - evil - plot etc I don't care what the wars was about. The fact is we got rid of one of the most cruel dictators. A man whoms persuction of other beliefs rivalled Hitlers..but thats beside the point. The fact is, wait for it... IM NOT STUPID..and I do take the things the government say with a pinch of salt. However, because I agree with them doesn't mean Ive been brainwashed. I love all the civil liberties types getting on their high horse.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

How do you know it wont?

Surely making people more traceable is a good way of stopping terrorism and crime or for finding the people involved after a crime occurs.

Will cut down on illegal imigrants and illegal workers as well.

 

[Cian]

Biscuit - you know how much a crap fake passport costs - around 35K. The printing gear costs nearly a million a PRINTER

A blank chip or stripe smartcard costs around 5 quid. A writer costs under a hundred. A card printer costs around 200

Which is easier to fake?

 

[ripper]

What will it cut down on?

Benifit fraud - thats what Social Security cards are for. Got one in my wallet already.

Name anything else it will ACTUALLY cut down on, not hyperbole about stuff that it apparently will stop but really won't, e.g. terrorism.

Totally agree, i'm not reall arsed about having to carry one, but resent having to pay for the privilege and don't think that they will address all the problems that the government claims they will.

 

[itszamora]

On the other hand, maybe I want to be able to go and do my own thing without the feeling that some jobsworth civil servant is constantly checking up on me to make sure I'm not a terrorist.

 

[Biscuit]

Biscuit - you know how much a crap fake passport costs - around 35K. The printing gear costs nearly a million a PRINTER

A blank chip or stripe smartcard costs around 5 quid. A writer costs under a hundred. A card printer costs around 200

Which is easier to fake?

Statistically, a Passport.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Biscuit - you know how much a crap fake passport costs - around 35K. The printing gear costs nearly a million a PRINTER

A blank chip or stripe smartcard costs around 5 quid. A writer costs under a hundred. A card printer costs around 200

Which is easier to fake?

The passport is easier to fake. FACT. If you are making a believable job of it anyway.

 

[CHAPPERS]

It might replace the SS card, but again, not guaranteed.

Are you in the Nazis?

 

[Cian]

The passport is easier to fake. FACT. If you are making a believable job of it anyway.

OK, you make me a full, 48 page Irish passport complete with stamp, sealed photo, serial number, etc that costs you less than a grand to make. You'll find it COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE

Magnetic and/or chip cards can be cloned in SECONDS. I have the equipment from a job doing card access schemes. Data writers, printers, blanks, etc

 

[Cian]

Are you in the Nazis?

Social Services Card.