[Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

[Titanic]

Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

Gary Lineker to step back from presenting Match of the Day until agreement reached on social media use - BBC statement

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Gary Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day until an agreement is reached on his social media use - BBC statement.
It follows an impartiality row over comments he made criticising the government's new asylum policy.
In a tweet, the presenter had compared the language used by the government to set out its plan to "that used by Germany in the 30s".

 

[pocketseagull]

To your addition, I only read BBC news as my impartial news source

Suella Braverman confronted by Holocaust survivor over 'invasion' rhetoric

Joan Salter says the home secretary's immigration rhetoric reminds her of language used by the Nazis.

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[Originunknown]

Suella Braverman confronted by Holocaust survivor over 'invasion' rhetoric

Joan Salter says the home secretary's immigration rhetoric reminds her of language used by the Nazis.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Clutching at straws and semantics, he referenced the period regardless as a basis for comparison. I really don't think he should have, personally, aside from the BBC impartiality aspect.

He’s not clutching at straws but you most certainly are. You are aware that one of the board of directors at the beeb is also a co owner of GB News ….. now that is a conflict of interest.

 

[rogersix]

For the 16th time, I support Lineker on this issue and his right to speak out when so many others have on the other side of the political divide without any issue.

Anyone who jumps immediately to likening something they don’t like to Nazism, either directly or as in this case indirectly, has already undermined their opinion though, because it is just pure hyperbole.

it is a bit like it tho, isn't it?

 

[Originunknown]

He’s not clutching at straws but you most certainly are. You are aware that one of the board of directors at the beeb is also a co owner of GB News ….. now that is a conflict of interest.

My last comment was firmly tongue in cheek acknowledging the lack of impartiality at the BBC...

 

[Swansman]

Yes they absolutely shouldn't when their tweets are sensationalist and driven by political agenda, as per Gary's. Whether you agree with tougher laws on immigration in the modern day is not related to the genocide in the war era and that comparison should never be made.

I wonder why it is so difficult to understand that Gary Lineker isn't saying that what the government has done is as bad as a genocide of around 10 million people, but that the rhetorics are similar to what eventually led to millions of Germans eventually agreeing and participating in a genocide that they probably wouldn't have thought of participating in some 20 years earlier.

Göring explained quite well how they pulled people into approving genocide & war:

“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

And what is the government doing with the immigrants? Claiming the land is under attack - through the use of words such as "invasion" - while also being no strangers to agitating their members with the idea that leftists who don't see immigrants in the same way are "exposing the country to danger". It is 1930s German rhetorics, and Gary is pointing it out. The whole idea that Lineker is claiming that the current government is currently doing things as bad as in Nazi Germany is something people pull out of their arse.

 

[Lever]

Maybe this might explain it all to the hard of understanding....

 

[Seagull27]

For the 16th time, I support Lineker on this issue and his right to speak out when so many others have on the other side of the political divide without any issue.

Anyone who jumps immediately to likening something they don’t like to Nazism, either directly or as in this case indirectly, has already undermined their opinion though, because it is just pure hyperbole.

But the point is, no-one is saying that the government are Nazis, nor that they are doing things that the Nazis did. They are saying that the language used in 1930s was to demonise and dehumanise, to make the population nervous of these groups and angry with them. It's a similar propaganda that Putin uses against Ukrainians to turn Russians against them and justify his war.

There are parallels in the  language used - but yes, no-one is denying that the Nazis were far far more extreme in their language/rhetoric, and eventually in their actions.

 

[Nobby]

Maybe this might explain it all to the hard of understanding....

This

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Maybe this might explain it all to the hard of understanding....

Yes, and the rhetoric has already caused
1. a lawyers office to be attacked - lefty lawyers.
2. An immigration centre in Dover to be firebombed.
3. RNLI attacked in London and Hastings.
4. A police wagon set on fire in Knowsley, and asylum seekers terrified inside the hotel
5. A very hostile crowd intimidating residents of an asylum hotel in Rotherham

@jcdenton08 Who is ramping up the hyperbole? Patel/Braverman or Gary Lineker?

 

[Originunknown]

I wonder why it is so difficult to understand that Gary Lineker isn't saying that what the government has done is as bad as a genocide of around 10 million people, but that the rhetorics are similar to what eventually led to millions of Germans eventually agreeing and participating in a genocide that they probably wouldn't have thought of participating in some 20 years earlier.

Göring explained quite well how they pulled people into approving genocide & war:

“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

And what is the government doing with the immigrants? Claiming the land is under attack - through the use of words such as "invasion" - while also being no strangers to agitating their members with the idea that leftists who don't see immigrants in the same way are "exposing the country to danger". It is 1930s German rhetorics, and Gary is pointing it out. The whole idea that Lineker is claiming that the current government is currently doing things as bad as in Nazi Germany is something people pull out of their arse.

Nothing hard to understand unless we're defining what the BBC has been, is now and should be in the future. That is the real issue.

I just personally wouldn't mention Germany references in any context. It's extreme, much like the Tory policies which are the subject of this furore.

Gary is entitled to his opinions of course but I'm not sure he is compatible with the current BBC anymore. This certainly wouldn't be such a circus if he hadn't tweeted what he did, but maintained the sentiment in a milder way. He has been critical of the party previously with good reason. If he can't remain impartial then fundamentally he shouldn't be working for the BBC and using the platform he has for repeated political commentary in my opinion.

 

[Titanic]

In a show of solidarity with Gary Lineker, Everton have announced that they will no longer appear on Match of The Day from next season.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Nothing hard to understand unless we're defining what the BBC has been, is now and should be in the future. That is the real issue.

I just personally wouldn't mention Germany references in any context. It's extreme, much like the Tory policies which are the subject of this furore.

Gary is entitled to his opinions of course but I'm not sure he is compatible with the current BBC anymore. This certainly wouldn't be such a circus if he hadn't tweeted what he did, but maintained the sentiment in a milder way. He has been critical of the party previously with good reason. If he can't remain impartial then fundamentally he shouldn't be working for the BBC and using the platform he has for repeated political commentary in my opinion.

Defending the indefensible. Agreeing the sentiment but then putting the boot in. Whilst the board of directors at the BBC is littered with Tory cronies impartiality goes out the window. Gary certainly isn’t compatible with the bbc - British Broadcasting Conservatives but is just what the bbc needs.

 

[Acker79]

The 2 things that all those claiming it is actually the same as 1930s language, actually share in common, is in knowing little of the true realities of 30s Nazi Germany language

Well, yeah, sure. If you ignore the multiple references in this thread to Joan Salter MBE - survivor of the Holocaust who confronted Suella Braverman about how her language is similar to that used in 1930s Germany, and German Professor Tanja Bueltmann

 

[Bodian]

Nothing hard to understand unless we're defining what the BBC has been, is now and should be in the future. That is the real issue.

I just personally wouldn't mention Germany references in any context. It's extreme, much like the Tory policies which are the subject of this furore.

Gary is entitled to his opinions of course but I'm not sure he is compatible with the current BBC anymore. This certainly wouldn't be such a circus if he hadn't tweeted what he did, but maintained the sentiment in a milder way. He has been critical of the party previously with good reason. If he can't remain impartial then fundamentally he shouldn't be working for the BBC and using the platform he has for repeated political commentary in my opinion.

How much milder?

From the independent:

Ms Braverman, who was previously chastised for comparing migrant crossings to an “invasion”, has been heavily criticised for her use of language around the matter.

“Good heavens, this is beyond awful,” Lineker wrote in response to the video.

Replying to the sports broadcaster, another Twitter user described his comment as “out of order”, adding that it was “easy to pontificate when it doesn’t affect you”.

Lineker responded: “There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries.

“This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I’m out of order?”

So, what would you change to make it milder? Take out 'immeasurably'?. You'll note he's even been careful enough to say 'not dissimilar to that...' - which is a milder version of 'the same as'. If he made it milder - it wouldn't actually say anything at all.

 

[Originunknown]

Defending the indefensible. Agreeing the sentiment but then putting the boot in. Whilst the board of directors at the BBC is littered with Tory cronies impartiality goes out the window. Gary certainly isn’t compatible with the bbc - British Broadcasting Conservatives but is just what the bbc needs.

Other news/media outlets are available, for us all and for Gary to work at. He continues to take the significant salary, which he doesn't need.

He doesn't strike me as the most philanthropic, actions would speak louder than his commentary here which I don't think helps the issue.

 

[The Clamp]

the Nazis wrote the book on propaganda and mass gaslighting. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if this government thought the Nazis’ example in rhetoric would be a good one to follow while the are trying to fool the nation again. I would put nothing beneath these bastards.

 

[Bodian]

Other news/media outlets are available, for us all and for Gary to work at. He continues to take the significant salary, which he doesn't need.

He doesn't strike me as the most philanthropic, actions would speak louder than his commentary here which I don't think helps the issue.

You do realise he has taken in refugees?

 

[jcdenton08]

the Nazis wrote the book on propaganda and mass gaslighting. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if this government thought the Nazis’ example in rhetoric would be a good one to follow while the are trying to fool the nation again. I would put nothing beneath these bastards.

In a similar way to Corbyn basing his policies on The Communist Manifesto?

Which of course he didn’t, but it’s fun exaggerating out of anger and frustration.

 

[Originunknown]

You do realise he has taken in refugees?

A few was it? Good on him, he should do more of that.