Fox Hunting Ban - Am I Missing Something?

[Titanic]

It strikes me that our "Democracy" is also shown in it's worst light when a few local elections mean that something as simple as finding a "Park and Ride" site for the additional seats at Withdean is now a political football.

The basic requirements haven't changed - and I doubt very much whether the 'will of the people' has changed - it's just a few party lackeys who can now throw their weight around in the name of 'democracy'.

 

[CHAPPERS]

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I am not pro-hunting but the hysterical women crying saying that foxes are poor defenceless animals (who very often get away from a hunt) have obviously never seen a lamb or a shed full of chickens when the fox has got them.

Oh come on Yorkie, the two things don't compare.

Foxes are vermin and if they need to be controlled then fair enough, do it with a bit more heart. Don't dress up in ridiculous red outfits, set a pack of hounds loose and cheer when the fox gets tired and the hounds start ripping it apart while it's still alive.

Go to a hunt and watch what happens when the fox gets caught and I imagine you'll have a different opinion.

The fact that sometimes the fox gets away is neither here nor there.

 

[SK1NT]

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Oh come on Yorkie, the two things don't compare.

Foxes are vermin and if they need to be controlled then fair enough, do it with a bit more heart. Don't dress up in ridiculous red outfits, set a pack of hounds loose and cheer when the fox gets tired and the hounds start ripping it apart while it's still alive.

Go to a hunt and watch what happens when the fox gets caught and I imagine you'll have a different opinion.

The fact that sometimes the fox gets away is neither here nor there.

spot on there, hit the nail on the head. A fox will attack a chicken whatever its in their nature, like cat would chase a mouse. But these dogs are trained to rip this animal apart in the name of "sport" what the f***....

 

[lincs seagull]

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How can You compare humiliating animals with taking your family to a football match?Don't forget these shitbags are the same scum that are opposing falmer.

f*** me thanks for the compliment i am pro country side not promoting fox hunting but can really see what goes on in these hunt these 1 in 10 catch the fox events where a whole industry has grown up to support this event

I am pro falmer i want the stadium

if we go buy you conclusions all fans are thugs beating each other up racist and homophobic macho wankers sorry dont fit with all that either.

people have beliefs and opions and should not be pigeion holed in to types the fox hunting ban goes much depper it is all to do with labours activitys and laws that are killing the life out of the country side

on the subject of killing dogs and horse in fox hunting

greyhound racing and horse racing face the same charge espically greyhounds 1000's get killed every year.

there is a lot of things wrong in this country and the country population are feeling victmised at the moment over the city side

 

[Northstander]

Which sport should be banned...Football or hunting?

Sorry for the graphic picture...but have a word!!!

 

[lincs seagull]

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spot on there, hit the nail on the head. A fox will attack a chicken whatever its in their nature, like cat would chase a mouse. But these dogs are trained to rip this animal apart in the name of "sport" what the f***....

true with some points but please think that they are not trained to kill it is years of breeding to hunt some bloke does not go in there and get them to tear foxes up its instinct.

the same instinct that sheep dogs herd sheep the same that dobermans are guard dogs. Jack russells will attack small animals i never trained my dog to do that it just did it.

there is no macabre twat smeering blood on these dogs

the breeders look in the fox hounds for scent length of leg obidience and stamina not viciouness otherwise they would pull each other apart

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

countryside folk are feeling victimised because we have a Labour government ?

Diddums.

 

[Titanic]

 

[SK1NT]

f***ing hell! for starters what kind of sick fucks enjoys watching an animal or any sort get torn to pieces?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I don't feel a victim at all - so I don't understand your point.

And I am not going to consciously break the law because I do not agree with it. There may be circumstances where I would, but it would not be over a "sport".

 

[lincs seagull]

i dont think you understand what i am trying to get across

the events of whats happened in the last few days are not just a bout fox hunting it the resentment of whats happened in the last few years

and i know it is just not one section of britain

i can be bothered with fox hunting but i have seen both sides of the arguement at close hand yes it can be a creul sport and the anti fox have shown what can happen.

but there is areas that are glossed over buy them such as trained to kill dogs. the people in the protests are anti city or in some peoples mind anti falmer or football not the case.

I bet many anti falmer people are city dwellers who have moved to the outer reaches of Brighton and can see progress

not asking you to agree with any thing about fox hunting but it has deep implications its not just about fox hunting.

it about going against the wishes of the majority in that area eg country side i agree that the majority are against fox hunting but they are city people who see another side to this.

Does not the majority of brighton want falmer? so why do the goverment drag and drag

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Anyone can see it is not just about fox hunting. On either side. For Blair it is a distraction from the bloody debacle that is Iraq. And for country side folk - what exactly is the gripe ? Because it does not seem to go much beyond not liking a democratically elected Labour government.

 

[Hannibal smith]

Personally the issue is filed in the 'indifference' category to me. Everyone seems to have strong opinions on Fox hunting because of its image as an almost cuddly animal. If they were hunting mink I doubt will would see the same level of opposition.

That said, after listening though to the odious people who have campaigned for Fox hunting I am only too pleased that it has been banned. There was an old battle axe on 5 live yesterday saying that the people who invaded the commons were 'not yobs' but 'respectable people' .The inference was that it was fine for those who were privately schooled and middle class to engage in yobbish behaviour as part of the pro hunting lobby but not a painter and decorator from Grimsby to campaign against it as they clearly do not have rights. When pointed out that we live in a democarcy and that the vast majority of people were against Fox hunting, her reply was that it was not 'democracy in the countryside' What a wonderful argument- as long as people in the country think things are Ok, they can break the law and everyone else should agree with it.

 

[Northstander]

These people do my F**** head in!! The upper class old school lords of the manor etc etc!!

 

[Artois]

f***ing hell! for starters what kind of sick fucks enjoys watching an animal or any sort get torn to pieces?

Anyone that's Pro-Fox Hunting, that's who.

Complete SCUM.

 

[WATF0RD ZERO]

If I trained a couple of dogs to go round parks killing other dogs what would happen to me ?

And, would it make a difference if I wore a red coat ?

 

[lincs seagull]

Anyone can see it is not just about fox hunting. On either side. For Blair it is a distraction from the bloody debacle that is Iraq. And for country side folk - what exactly is the gripe ? Because it does not seem to go much beyond not liking a democratically elected Labour government.

The gripe that they have right or wrong is that the country side is suffering

Unemployment the rural side is much higher than the citys but the goverment give a lot more help to the employers in large towns and citys than the rural side.

goverment invest less i nthe country side aminities are not maintained or keep open.

local councils charge high taxes for shit services buses , road, dustman etc.

Transport bus services are shit very shit i have to go buy car no choice at all i work in the next town one bus either way a day 10am and back 7pm great. so the hike in fuel and road tax etc is crippling but i have no choice if i want to work.

dying villages less young in the rural areas because of the above issues people buying holidayhomes stop locals from buying as they cant earn what these people do and cant get loans. with people living part time locals shops and pubs can exsit the social focal point of villages gone.

Tight measures on farming british farms are the the best in Europe for running on the budgets the goverment squeeze them with laws and regulations and dont give them funds to meet these issues. Yet spain portugal ireland and france still work the subsidies with great easy and make us uncompertive

Pig farming a great example farms change ther farming practice out door units are the large majority now after public pressure but people go out and but danish intensive reared pork because they dont want to pay extra.

Crime higher in the rural areas and what do we get no local police one area has to cover up to an hours travel away.

i know these are issues that are common all over but the goverment address city before rural.

And i dont care about fox hunting but they come in and ban it with out looking at implications thats why its more than fox hunting.

if it goes it goes but will the goverment invest in the areas affected to make sure these people have new jobs i dont think so.

the twats who got in the commons deserve what they get but dont tarnish us all with the toffs and twats we all are trying to live and fight for what we believe in even if some of us dont see the bigger picture and want to chase foxes

 

[Northstander]

In regards to Public transport, surely when people decide to move to an out of area rural country village and don't own a car, would this not be something you would investigate before agreeing the move.

Or am I being stupid?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

interesting lincs, but to me the answer is to get the British public on their side and get a sympathetic government voted in that address rural and city the same.

By focusing on fox-hunting, and breaking or threatening to break the law they do their cause no good. I don't give a monkeys about fox hunting. Of course it is barbaric and has nothing to do with pest control, but there are other things I would change first. I also resent the fact that Blair is using it to distract attention from other issues.

However, I have less sympathy today for the protests than I did on Wednesday morning, and I suspect other people feel the same.

 

[lincs seagull]

In regards to Public transport, surely when people decide to move to an out of area rural country village and don't own a car, would this not be something you would investigate before agreeing the move.

Or am I being stupid?

I have always been in rural areas some people have always lived in these towns and have theses choices

find a two bit job in the village and eek out an existance
use public transport to go to work
invest in a car and pay out fuel repairs tax etc.

if we pay high taxes which i do and i earn the average wage i demand better service for what i pay there are people in large towns and cities paying less than me getting buses and regular trains.

should the goverment look at the services that local goverment give us