Fox Hunting Ban - Am I Missing Something?

[Bobby's Gull]

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Are they not responsible for well keeping of their dogs?
If I had a healthy dog and one day decided that I wanted to put a bullet through it's head I would expect to be fined and banned from keeping animals for a considerable time, and rightly so.
Why should these people be treated any differently?

Hounds are bred for killing, in effect they are killing machines. Therefore they cannot be re-homed etc although the idea is a nice thought. If they were re-homed, expect a lot of the rabbits/cats other small animals in the area to go missing.

Now that hunting has been banned you can expect the foxes to be killed through snares or for a leg to be shot off and to be left like that, taking a few days to die.

 

[m20gull]

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Hounds are bred for killing, in effect they are killing machines. Therefore they cannot be re-homed etc although the idea is a nice thought. If they were re-homed, expect a lot of the rabbits/cats other small animals in the area to go missing.

Now that hunting has been banned you can expect the foxes to be killed through snares or for a leg to be shot off and to be left like that, taking a few days to die.

The're not bred for killing, but chasing. Dogs kill naturally, it's what they do, just like foxes. Pet dogs have it trained out of them. Watch a dog shaking a toy, it's killing it.

Hunt dogs won't be re-homed because they're not socialised to live at home, they live in a big pack of dogs.

And there's nothing inhumane about shooting the dogs when they are not up to the job. We're not talking about winging them from 50yds with a shotgun. I agree it doesn't match our idealised way of despatching beloved family pets, but hunt dogs are not pets.

 

[towbarball]

It has taken the closet TORY Blair 7 years to bring an anty foxhunting law into effect.
This was promised in the labour manifesto prior to the 1997 election and despite two massive majorities the public schoolboy from scotland has not pushed this legislation through.
Also promised prior to the election of 1997 was a freedom of information act. This has quietly been forgotten. A freedom of information act would have more consequence to the lives of the citizens of this country but yet again a so called labour government has been got at after gaining "power".

 

[London Irish]

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Now that hunting has been banned you can expect the foxes to be killed through snares or for a leg to be shot off and to be left like that, taking a few days to die.

And I guess if someone set up some kind of social event to watch all that happen and have some fun and laughs along the way, you'd be happy to defend their right to do that too, no doubt.

 

[clapham_gull]

Reason I posted the thing about hounds is that the Countryside Alliance are trying to grab the moral high ground by claiming that 20,000 hounds will need to be destroyed. Fair enough.

If the figures I've read are right (and of course they may be wrong) they would destroy 20,000 hounds every three years or so anyway.

I'm not sure, but is there is no cooincidence to the 2 year delay ?

Gives them a chance to for the dogs to "naturally" leave the system ? I would understand that the same happens to horses ? I have no idea at all.

I know nothing about hunting but the last few days events have led me to ask a few questions. These were the answers. If anything I said is incorrect, please feel free to correct me.

 

[Oval Gull]

Nah, it was great fun yesterday, a weird experience cheering on the police as they cracked a few heads

 

[dougdeep]

This bill has nothing to do with foxes.

 

[clapham_gull]

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Some things that I've been thinking about..

The working classes enjoyed dog and cock fighting for years of course. I don't remember them marching on parliament and nobody defended their rights

Is fox-hunting significantly different from cock fighting ? Weren't fighting cocks bred for the specific purpose of fighting ?

Badger baiting is also banned. Why is that? They cause damage to farmland? Endangered species? - I can't remember.

Does anybody know where the Church of England stand on fox-hunting ? The only reason I ask is that I would suspect that fox-hunting would take place at some point on their land (as they are a major landowner in this country).

Or does fox-hunting only take place on private land ?

 

[Dancin Ninja BHA]

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Hounds are bred for killing, in effect they are killing machines.

What like the Terminator? (1, 2 & 3)

Personally, don't have a problem with fox-hunting

Much more concerned with other, more important issues in the UK at the moment, than the plight of a pesky (or should that be pesty?) fox

 

[clapham_gull]

This bill has nothing to do with foxes.

I had that argument in the local kebab shop too.

 

[Yorkie]

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Does anybody know where the Church of England stand on fox-hunting ? The only reason I ask is that I would suspect that fox-hunting would take place at some point on their land (as they are a major landowner in this country).

Landowner in the fact they own the land that churches and vicarages stand on. Not exactly open fields where a fox is likely to run.
It's not urban foxes that are being hunted but country foxes.

 

[clapham_gull]

I wasn't trying to make a political point about the Church of England, I was interested in the view of the fact that I believe the National Trust tried to ban foxing on its land in the past ?

However, I just checked out the Church of England standpoint and they do very much own land that hunting takes place on.

They've even got a policy last updated in 1999.

Their position is that it is down to tenant and landlords personal position on the issue. It is not for the church to coerce either, either way.

So there's my answer.

I was actually brought up in the country where fox hunting took place, I just wasn't involved. My family who still live their don't agree with hunting.

 

[SussexHoop]

Someone yesterday posted a link to an article in the Scotsman about what currently happens in Scotland, where hunting with dogs is banned.

They use marksmen to shoot the fox and then send in the hounds in case the marksman failed to kill it. Guaranteed quick(ish) death for the fox, far better than shooting and the risk of the fox escaping to die a slow death or a slow death by poisoning surely?

It's quite sad that the government has waited 7 years to rush this legislation through Parliament (including the possible use of the Parliament Act)...7 years is more than enough to have got it through properly imho.

I also think some of the comments made on here show that for some people, it's a class issue rather than any kind of sympathy for the fox.

 

[Sergi Gotsmanov]

Its all about freedom of choice.

Unfortunately if it makes good headlines to ban hunting and wins the vote of some middleclass townie.

Guy Fawkes had the right idea.

A puritan state is on the way.

 

[clapham_gull]

Observing what I saw in Whitehall yesterday, it would appear that class is a major issue in this. Who I would consider to be the landowners by their dress and accent were drinking in pubs and who I would consider to be the farm workers and labourers were the ones staying behind for a ruck with the police.

That's honestly what I observed and made we think to how I was taught about the civil war. Essentially a dispute between an emerging merchant middle class and the social structures that existed in fuedal Britain.

 

[Sergi Gotsmanov]

If only it was as simple as class.

The whole thing is around winning votes.

Its taken 7 years because there has been no challenge to New labour.

Feelings against president Blair increase and wallop show a picture of a wild animal being killed by a wild dog and votes are in the bag.

Meanwhile no-one asks where the WMD were and Iraq drifts into the memory.

Shocking if you think about it.

Try not to.

 

[Bobby's Gull]

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And I guess if someone set up some kind of social event to watch all that happen and have some fun and laughs along the way, you'd be happy to defend their right to do that too, no doubt.

Yes that's right LI, like you always think you're right.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

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Now hunting has been banned the hounds will all be destroyed, quite possibly a few of the horses as well.

Foxes will have to be shot in future to protect lambs.

I am not pro-hunting but the hysterical women crying saying that foxes are poor defenceless animals (who very often get away from a hunt) have obviously never seen a lamb or a shed full of chickens when the fox has got them.

Sorry, Yorkie ... that is complete rubbish.

Hounds are destroyed anyway, when their useful "working" life is over.

There are hardly ANY horses that are used exclusively for hunting. Most horse owners take part in a variety of equestrian recreations. Once hunting is banned, they'll continue to ride as much as they do now.

Fox hunting makes no difference whatsoever to whether foxes slaughter chickens or lambs. Fencing does. When fencing fails, shooting already happens.

 

[Lady Bracknell]

Having seen all those hysterical placards about society now going, literally, to the dogs since our "Freedom, Democracy and Rights" have been overturned by a ban on fox hunting it strikes me that "Democracy" to the Countryside Alliance is akin to a Community Stadium is to the Duckponders. Wonderful concepts providing they are exercised in somebody else's backyard.

The current Government made it perfectly clear, when elected in 1997, that they would ban hunting. They were re-elected with the same mandate. You don't have to agree with a ban on hunting but suggesting it heralds the Death of Democracy is about as stupid as suggesting anyone has the "right" to ride all over the countryside in order to occasionally tear a fox limb from limb. It's a choice. But for sure it's not a right.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

it strikes me that "Democracy" to the Countryside Alliance is akin to a Community Stadium is to the Duckponders. Wonderful concepts providing they are exercised in somebody else's backyard.

wise words roz. wise words.