Fox Hunting Ban - Am I Missing Something?

[lincs seagull]

interesting lincs, but to me the answer is to get the British public on their side and get a sympathetic government voted in that address rural and city the same.

By focusing on fox-hunting, and breaking or threatening to break the law they do their cause no good. I don't give a monkeys about fox hunting. Of course it is barbaric and has nothing to do with pest control, but there are other things I would change first. I also resent the fact that Blair is using it to distract attention from other issues.

However, I have less sympathy today for the protests than I did on Wednesday morning, and I suspect other people feel the same.

Yep full agreement with you we must win the people over a small bunch of beered up idots have done us so much damage

liberty and livelehood have distance them self with this wing of the pro hunt

but the damage is beyond repair quite evident from the thread and reactions

 

[Little Piggy]

I think the behaviour of Batman and Robin is disgusting. As soon as they scaled the fence they should have been shot. Buckingham Palace is world property, they could have been terrorists, Im sure they could have blown themselves/and half of the palace up. Secuiity needs to be tougher.

Thats a good idea. It'd never come into effect though, you'll probably get some liberal tosser trying to make out that we shouldn't go shooting people because YOU don't like the look of them. Perfect example, I saw this bloke the other day walked straight into my garden and started poking stuff through the front door. Dressed as a postman to disguise himself, very clever. If this pansy government wasn't in charge, I would have been able to shoot him. After all, he MIGHT have been a terrorist.

Oh, by the way, I realise the Internet does not always convey sarcasm very well so let me clarify that I am mocking your post!

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Not just the beered up idiots - the tossers who went into the House of Commons chamber. The last thing we need is less access to politicians, but these blinkered idiots who think they have done their cause good, have done us all a disservice.

 

[Seagull Stew]

I have always been in rural areas some people have always lived in these towns and have theses choices

find a two bit job in the village and eek out an existance
use public transport to go to work
invest in a car and pay out fuel repairs tax etc.

if we pay high taxes which i do and i earn the average wage i demand better service for what i pay there are people in large towns and cities paying less than me getting buses and regular trains.

should the goverment look at the services that local goverment give us

Or, get an education, get a good job, move nearer to your place of work until you can afford the luxury of living out in the countryside.
The only people that moan as much as country folk these days are doctors.
Get over it. Just because people earn a living from this bizarre activity and have done so for many years doesn't (and never has) make it right.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

When the Countryside Alliance was first formed, they made a valiant effort to give the impression that they were campaigning on the full range of rural issues that lincs seagull mentioned.

But, as the years have passed, it's become more and more clear that they are nothing more than a lobby for fox hunting.

I have lived in rural Sussex for most of my adult life. There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed about rural services, the rural economy and rural life in general. Most of the decisions that affect the quality of rural life are taken by people who have little understanding of what they are doing.

But the Countryside Alliance are contributing absolutely nothing to resolving those issues.

Curiously, I think the Labour Government has done far more for rural areas than it is given credit for - probably because they know that they have to work hard on things that they know don't come naturally to them. In contrast, the Tories seem obsessed with rebuilding their lost credibility in the cities and industrial north - and this offers little hope to their rural supporters.

Perhaps the biggest threat to rural life comes from the mass exodus of affluent suburbanites into "country cottages" and their adoption of a fantasy lifestyle that involves horses for the teenage daughters, four-wheel drive vehicles (that get a weekly visit to a car-wash, just after the supermarket run) and the use of private education, rather than village schools.

 

[lincs seagull]

Or, get an education, get a good job, move nearer to your place of work until you can afford the luxury of living out in the countryside.
The only people that moan as much as country folk these days are doctors.
Get over it. Just because people earn a living from this bizarre activity and have done so for many years doesn't (and never has) make it right.

f***ing bollocks is all i can say

i went to uni i have got a very good job and work for the largest fresh food company in europe.

but why do i have to move in to a city to get more for my money.

i have had no f***ing choice but live in the country side and cant afford to move to the smoke.

bizarre things like farming eh it does not seem like i am the one who needs to get education

 

[Dr Schnell]

Re: Re: Re: Fox Hunting Ban - Am I Missing Something?

How on earth can u say that?

It simply does not compare!

Football is not cruel, we dont take pleasure in humiliating and killing animals. (squiril pitch invasion not encluded). We dont have to kill thousands of dogs every year coz their no long animals, more killing machines.

What you have just said it absolutly riduclous.

Agree with 3gulls. Biscuit you are talking shite - if you are really concerned about the well being of animals then lets slap a ban on eating them! What could be more barbaric than that? Thankfully of course that won't ever happen.

When fox hunting gets banned there will be a larger number of foxes killed by farmers who want to get rid of what they consider to be vermin. To kill the foxes they will use methods which are no less cruel than currently employed - perhaps you have never seen a fox which has been shot and injured and taken days to die or a fox which has been trapped and bitten its own leg off to escape. These are realities. The law will do nothing to improve the plight of an animal which is seen as a pest by those who have to live and earn a living in the countryside.

 

[clapham_gull]

When the Countryside Alliance was first formed, they made a valiant effort to give the impression that they were campaigning on the full range of rural issues that lincs seagull mentioned.

But, as the years have passed, it's become more and more clear that they are nothing more than a lobby for fox hunting.

I have lived in rural Sussex for most of my adult life. There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed about rural services, the rural economy and rural life in general. Most of the decisions that affect the quality of rural life are taken by people who have little understanding of what they are doing.

But the Countryside Alliance are contributing absolutely nothing to resolving those issues.

Curiously, I think the Labour Government has done far more for rural areas than it is given credit for - probably because they know that they have to work hard on things that they know don't come naturally to them. In contrast, the Tories seem obsessed with rebuilding their lost credibility in the cities and industrial north - and this offers little hope to their rural supporters.

Perhaps the biggest threat to rural life comes from the mass exodus of affluent suburbanites into "country cottages" and their adoption of a fantasy lifestyle that involves horses for the teenage daughters, four-wheel drive vehicles (that get a weekly visit to a car-wash, just after the supermarket run) and the use of private education, rather than village schools.

Wish I'd posted that. Spot on. Lord B

 

[Dandyman]

I'm fairly agnostic about hunting. I do enjoy seeing the "upper classes" get their skulls cracked open though.

 

[Seagull Stew]

f***ing bollocks is all i can say

i went to uni i have got a very good job and work for the largest fresh food company in europe.

but why do i have to move in to a city to get more for my money.

i have had no f***ing choice but live in the country side and cant afford to move to the smoke.

bizarre things like farming eh it does not seem like i am the one who needs to get education

Then if you are happy with your standard of living in the countryside then why moan about the costs.
Aren't you contradicting yourself by saying you can't afford to move to the smoke?
I wasn't referring to farming when I said bizarre activities, I was referring to fox-hunting. Sorry, a misunderstanding there.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

I was always under the impression fox hunting was a very ineffective way of keeping the fox population in check.

Frankly, I'm completely ambivolent about fox hunting - keep it or ban it ? - I just don't care one way or the other.

What I do worry about are idiot hooligans going around invading Parliament ( which is not an appropriate method of influencing Government policy, as Parliament is a completely seperate institution ), and using up valuable Police resources which are better spent protecting London, and the general public, from real threats to our democracy. Nor is it particularly responsible behaviour to go round burning ' No Ban ' slogans on land within sites of special scientific interest, particularly if you've spent the last 10 years complaining about people making crop circles. Both are acts of vandalism. Neither will win much public support.

If you don't agree with Government policy, then you should express your opinion at the ballot box.

 

[Meade's Ball]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fox Hunting Ban - Am I Missing Something?

Agree with 3gulls. Biscuit you are talking shite - if you are really concerned about the well being of animals then lets slap a ban on eating them! What could be more barbaric than that? Thankfully of course that won't ever happen.

When fox hunting gets banned there will be a larger number of foxes killed by farmers who want to get rid of what they consider to be vermin. To kill the foxes they will use methods which are no less cruel than currently employed - perhaps you have never seen a fox which has been shot and injured and taken days to die or a fox which has been trapped and bitten its own leg off to escape. These are realities. The law will do nothing to improve the plight of an animal which is seen as a pest by those who have to live and earn a living in the countryside.

But surely part of the point is that people will not form part of their tradition/lifestyle about enjoying this cruelty.

 

[3gulls]

I was always under the impression fox hunting was a very ineffective way of keeping the fox population in check.

Frankly, I'm completely ambivolent about fox hunting - keep it or ban it ? - I just don't care one way or the other.

What I do worry about are idiot hooligans going around invading Parliament ( which is not an appropriate method of influencing Government policy, as Parliament is a completely seperate institution ), and using up valuable Police resources which are better spent protecting London, and the general public, from real threats to our democracy. Nor is it particularly responsible behaviour to go round burning ' No Ban ' slogans on land within sites of special scientific interest, particularly if you've spent the last 10 years complaining about people making crop circles. Both are acts of vandalism. Neither will win much public support.

If you don't agree with Government policy, then you should express your opinion at the ballot box.

Of course, just like the poletax protesters, miners, and other left-wing scum supported by Labour!

 

[Dandyman]

Of course, just like the poletax protesters, miners, and other left-wing scum supported by Labour!

Funny that, I always thought the problem was Labour's failure to support the miners, dockers, steel workers, etc,etc...

 

[3gulls]

Funny that, I always thought the problem was Labour's failure to support the miners, dockers, steel workers, etc,etc...

The Labour MPs were there on the picket lines, it is just that in those good-old-days, there were so few of them, thet they were hard to spot!

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I notice that the protesters in the commons were mostly chums of the Royal family.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

There is no excuse for acts of vandalism, irrespective of your political persuasion.

In respect of the miners, the UK is now a net importer of coal thanks to Maggies policy, when really we should be self sufficient. North Sea gas is also beginning to run low, and gas prices are being increased because we are relying on imports. Very soon we will have nothing left to generate electricity with, except Nuclear.

I've no time for any of the idiots involved in the poll tax riots.

 

[SM BHAFC]

Strange country Great Britain personally if people want to hunt foxes thats up to them it is not something i think I would find particulary appealing but I have no problem if other people enjoy it.

I can't be bothered to read all this thread I skimmed through and saw the usual left wing moaners of doom going on about the same old crap as usual class war, toffs, poor little fox blah blah blah.

My take on all this is possibly a little different it's about this country and it's attitude to animals, in most other countries of the world this would not even be an issue people care about people and are able to express themselves and their feelings to other people. In this country we are a little reseved and showing one's feelings too much is not really part of our society. So you have all these people treating animals as if they were human or like their own child which i find very strange, I mean as a nation we really do get worked up about animals suffering more than peoples.

I do not care if a fox is killed in fact if any animal is killed really I eat meat and wear leather so whats the big deal about a fox when there are people dying in so many places all over the world?

If someone who does not eat meat or use any type of animal product at all is upset by this they have a right to be upset i suppose but the how many people does this include?

 

[Brovion]

Welcome back SM BHAFC. I totally agree with you - and I'm one of those usual 'left wing moaners'. People matter, foxes don't.

 

[Lady Bracknell]

I live in the country. I've lived in the country for years. But despite knowing people who DO hunt, they don't add up to any sort of majority. So forgive me if I take buggerall notice of the predicted blight and ruination that we're now told is an inevitable consequence of banning hunting with dogs.

But all this righteous indignation about freedom and democracy from the everyday countryfolk is a great diversion from the things that really matter. How much might a Government bung the Countryside Alliance for such a welcome break from the really awkward questions I wonder?