Forster says players are behind Adams..

[Elder for England]

Why the need to do this?

 

[clippedgull]

I know most people (if not all) won't agree but I do think the fans have to take some responsibilty for the way things are going of late.

I'm intrigued.

How are the fans responsible for the first team's lack of performances?

You are probably going to say, we should be more vocal at matches?

The away fans are reported to be more vocal, so that obviously doesn't inspire the players?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Confidence has a huge part to play! People seem to forget that we had a good start to the season, even had a bit of a run going as well, we had a couple of bad games and things changed very quickly. I know most people (if not all) won't agree but I do think the fans have to take some responsibilty for the way things are going of late. People started to question the team in SEPTEMBER, already slating Adams, criticising the players when our record stood at 5 wins, 4 draws and 2 loses.

I think people had started to question ADAMS by then, rather than the players, to be fair.

And given that even during that relatively succesful spell we'd seen the side fail to break down Orient, Bristol Rovers, and ten-man Walsall, seen points gifted away through late goals against Northampton and Yeovil, and watched them roll up and die against Scunthorpe, I'd say they were right.

Every fear people expressed about selection and tactics back then HAS been borne out. What is your point, exactly?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Why the need to do this?

Why the need for constant and spiteful opinion about Wilkins, stated as fact?

 

[Elder for England]

I think people had started to question ADAMS by then, rather than the players, to be fair.

And given that even during that relatively succesful spell we'd seen the side fail to break down Orient, Bristol Rovers, and ten-man Walsall, seen points gifted away through late goals against Northampton and Yeovil, and watched them roll up and die against Scunthorpe, I'd say they were right.

Every fear people expressed about selection and tactics back then HAS been borne out. What is your point, exactly?

My point is, yes those games were bad and yes they were disapointing, and of course people are entitled to moan but some of the comments made were ludicrous.

Some of the tactics and choices Adams has made haven't been good, but they're nowhere near as bad as what people make out. When people talk about players postioning, were people complaning about Virgo in midfield when he was getting goals at the beginning of the season? Have people thought that Adams, just like the rest of us thought maybe we were onto something with him there and slowly it becamse worse, is it not possible he was left there for a few remaining games because of the great start? Game after game it became aparant it no longer worked and he hasn't been put there since. When was the last time Virgo played in midfield? Adams is yet to know what is his best 11.

 

[Mendoza]

People started to question the team in SEPTEMBER, already slating Adams, criticising the players when our record stood at 5 wins, 4 draws and 2 loses.

Because we hadnt won a home game, and that is what the majority of our fans watch. 5 wins included only 2 in the league, both away from home.

4 draws, of which 2 were drab 0-0's.

Yes the record was good, it saw us progress in the JPT and Carling Cup. But we were never really convincing in any game bar Southend away. Crewe we played well, and let them back in it, and were lucky we got a winner at the death.

 

[Elder for England]

Why the need for constant and spiteful opinion about Wilkins, stated as fact?

How is what I said spiteful? It's not only evident by the way they speak about Adams, and how do you know whether it's fact or not?

 

[Elder for England]

Because we hadnt won a home game, and that is what the majority of our fans watch. 5 wins included only 2 in the league, both away from home.

4 draws, of which 2 were drab 0-0's.

Yes the record was good, it saw us progress in the JPT and Carling Cup. But we were never really convincing in any game bar Southend away. Crewe we played well, and let them back in it, and were lucky we got a winner at the death.

Yes of course but it was far, far too early to be getting on people's backs they people were.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Some of the tactics and choices Adams has made haven't been good, but they're nowhere near as bad as what people make out. When people talk about players postioning, were people complaning about Virgo in midfield when he was getting goals at the beginning of the season? Have people thought that Adams, just like the rest of us thought maybe we were onto something with him there and slowly it becamse worse, is it not possible he was left there for a few remaining games because of the great start? Game after game it became aparant it no longer worked and he hasn't been put there since. When was the last time Virgo played in midfield? Adams is yet to know what is his best 11.

Okay, if you wish to use the Virgo situation as an example;

He scored three goals at the start of the season. Two were from set-pieces making the position he was playing entirely irrelevant - he'd be up for a corner whether he was centre-forward, centre-back or whatever.

To answer your question, he stayed in the central midfield role to which he is unsuited, for far too long. Then when it was obvious to all that this wasn't working, he was moved to wide midfield, a role to which he is even LESS well suited.

Then followed a period of playing up front, despite recognised strikers being available, and despite Adams' promise to Virgo pre-season that he would only be used up front [a position he HATES] in emergencies.

Then he was tried at right-back, where he has no clue as to the positional requirements, and so was dreadful.

Finally, in our SEVENTEENTH league game, he played in his preferred position of centre-back, and no surprise, did a decent job in a fairly accomplished defensive performance.

So obviously, the very next game he is shifted to right back, to accomodate the must-pick Hawkins. As previously discovered, Virgs can't actually play right back, so spent to whole game drifting inside, leaving a big whole for Stockport to slaughter us down.

Yes, Adams is doing a BRILLIANT job. My mistake. Carry on...

 

[jcdenton08]

So obviously, the very next game he is shifted to right back, to accomodate the must-pick Hawkins. As previously discovered, Virgs can't actually play right back, so spent to whole game drifting inside, leaving a big whole for Stockport to slaughter us down.

Not helped by a totally inept performance from Stuart Fleetwood. Also playing out of position.

 

[Questions]

This shower is not fit to wear the shirt. Forster is always licking whatever manager is in at the time.

US you`ve come back an angry young man.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Not helped by a totally inept performance from Stuart Fleetwood. Also playing out of position.

There is some truth in that.

 

[Icy Gull]

The description of a performance using the words inept or inert a great McGhee legacy

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I have not got great links with the club - but what I do hear is that there were problems between senior players and Wilkins ( and not just the ones he was not playing) and it looked at times as if some of the younger ones had issues. Whilst it is early days with Adams his reputation is that players do like and respect the bloke.

Of course this is all in the nature of a club and team - but I think Elder's point is valid that the players do have more time for Adams than Wilkins.

 

[Questions]

Not helped by a totally inept performance from Stuart Fleetwood. Also playing out of position.

From what I`ve seen of him even playing him IN position produces a totally inept performance as well.

 

[Da Man Clay]

Didn't Virgo spend a fair amount of time playing Right back for us in the Championship/League 1 last time he was here. Seem to remember him doing a fair job there as well.

Though he should never be moved to accomodate Hawkins...

 

[CHAPPERS]

I have not got great links with the club - but what I do hear is that there were problems between senior players and Wilkins ( and not just the ones he was not playing) and it looked at times as if some of the younger ones had issues. Whilst it is early days with Adams his reputation is that players do like and respect the bloke.

Of course this is all in the nature of a club and team - but I think Elder's point is valid that the players do have more time for Adams than Wilkins.

I couldn't give a f*** how much time the players have for the manager, they could hate him for all I care. All that matters is that the manager gets the players playing in the correct positions and operating as a team. Adams currently doesn't seem to want to do this and it's almost ruined our league campaign.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I couldn't give a f*** how much time the players have for the manager, they could hate him for all I care. All that matters is that the manager gets the players playing in the correct positions and operating as a team. Adams currently doesn't seem to want to do this and it's almost ruined our league campaign.

I don't disagree. I was just providing a bit of back-up for Elder in that players do generally get on with Adams - he is apparently bery straight with them - and are reported not to have got on with Wilkins.

I personally don't like it when the manager is the players mate . I prefer a Keane-type. Keep your distance and keep them guessing. Being mates is what the assistant manager can do. I am not close enough to know whether Adams is like this or not.

 

[BigGully]

I have not got great links with the club - but what I do hear is that there were problems between senior players and Wilkins ( and not just the ones he was not playing) and it looked at times as if some of the younger ones had issues. Whilst it is early days with Adams his reputation is that players do like and respect the bloke.

Of course this is all in the nature of a club and team - but I think Elder's point is valid that the players do have more time for Adams than Wilkins.

Whats with this the players feel this or that ....... you must start remembering that players are selfish, they all have their own agenda's and that's their own career progress ahead of any respect for a manager or their club.

Players will like a manager if the manager likes them ( and plays them ) and will not like them if he doesn't. There will be players blaming everyone apart from themselves today and there is likely to be some dissention.

Some of you will have to start to realise that there isn't a league table for players lovin' the manager etc, its a professional game run on points gained.

Presently we are failing miserably and no amount of Forster likes him and Adams likes him will get the club moving again unless we win games and lots of them.

The pro Adams and anti Wilkins brigade are feeling queasy at present because all of your Summer optimism is proving to woefully inaccurate and digging up such irrelevant info. that Forster like Adams better than Wilkins to somehow add a crumb of credibility to you Summer misjudgement is ridiculous.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

Considering MA has been here once before there should be less chance of him losing the dressing room.