[Albion] Everton and anti football

[DavidinSouthampton]

This is not just reactionary after the Everton game and isn't just aimed at Everton; they can play however they want, and if they want to stick 11 men behind the ball that's their prerogative, it worked for them as well so they won't care one bit. But the timewasting is killing football and is now being used as a 'legitimate' tactic by the majority of teams, with Arsenal now using it as the cornerstone of their play. Something drastic needs to be done, whether it's a ref actually sending someone off for timewasting or the laws changing so the clock stops when the ball is out of play.

Hurzeler said in his post match comments that the ref said he wasn't going to send anyone off for timewasting- so what's the deterrent?

Is there a rule - unwritten or otherwise - that goalkeepers can not get a. Second yellow card for time-wasting. If not, indeed, what’s the point.

and late on in the match, perhaps even in time added on, Everton got a free kick for offside. As soon as the whistle went, two of their defenders collapsed like sacks of potatoes. It seemed to me that the one on our side (WSU) noticed the other one had gone down, stayed down for a brief while to try and make it look respectable, and then just got up and walked away - no sign of a limp.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I have considered starting an Everton focused thread, but it wouldn't have looked like this one. When did we stop praising opposition teams efforts, stop giving credit to an excellent performance by the other team? We moan when we don't get enough credit from the pundits but won't give any out ourselves?

That was one of the very best defensive performances I have seen in the Premier League, and judging by their previous results it's clearly no fluke. Nothing could get past them, every shot blocked, every cross intercepted, every tackle made, every long ball dealt with. That team was born to defend and they did it marvellously with no let up for 90+. Welbeck got nothing out of them, Mitoma was ineffective, it's the quietest Pedro has been for us, dropping so deep to receive the ball he ended up being the last man on occasion.

Can call it dull, boring, whatever, and I'll agree, I like my teams to attack as much at the next man, but it was also masterful, a scary combination of Dyche's cold blooded approach to football and Moyes sheer competence at putting out a team greater than the sum of its parts.

 

[HeaviestTed]

I can only say I was so disappointed with Saturday's match. Disappointed with Albion yet again failing to beat a very poor team below them in the table. Disappointed with FH and his team selection. The bench was far stronger than the starting eleven.
However, the biggest disappointment was with the tactics of Everton. So Moyes was ecstatic with his team and the result. He should be ashamed of their anti football. The biggest culprit was Pickford with his stupid time wasting tactics. Other players constantly feigning injury and running the clock down. What is up with our refs? There should be more bookings and even red cards for blatant time wasting. We need the Prem/FA to endorse this. We pay good money for our tickets. It is disgraceful that fans are treated to such shoddy playacting and cheating.
Rant over!

They won

 

[The Fits]

We time-waste every time either our GK or our CBs just start wandering about aimlessly with the ball.

 

[Milano]

We need to let this go. It was frustrating, yes very. Would I want to pay to watch that every fortnight, no.
But Everton won through hard work and a bit of luck and we didn’t do enough.
Teams in this position are doing this against us because it works. They will continue until it doesn’t work.
We won’t get anywhere against these types of teams until we take more risks with the ball and with overloads. That comes from the manager first and senior players second. All of them had nightmares.
FH picked the wrong starting 11 and then sent them out far too passive. Dunk was appalling in possession, Championship level. Veltman made it 10x worse. Welbeck was marked out of the game. Mitoma was ok in patches. Lamptey did ok for 15 mins then disappeared. The rest are U23s.
But they all seem too scared to take a risk and lose the ball. Our manager has to change that mindset.

 

[jcdenton08]

We time-waste every time either our GK or our CBs just start wandering about aimlessly with the ball.

This isn’t time wasting in the rule breaking sense. The offence of time wasting is specific to delaying the restart of play. Something we frequently do when we’re ahead.

 

[papachris]

Is there a rule - unwritten or otherwise - that goalkeepers can not get a. Second yellow card for time-wasting. If not, indeed, what’s the point.

and late on in the match, perhaps even in time added on, Everton got a free kick for offside. As soon as the whistle went, two of their defenders collapsed like sacks of potatoes. It seemed to me that the one on our side (WSU) noticed the other one had gone down, stayed down for a brief while to try and make it look respectable, and then just got up and walked away - no sign of a limp.

Yes, I remember the synchronised injuries at that point of the match

 

[AZ Gull]

Is there a rule - unwritten or otherwise - that goalkeepers can not get a. Second yellow card for time-wasting. If not, indeed, what’s the point.

and late on in the match, perhaps even in time added on, Everton got a free kick for offside. As soon as the whistle went, two of their defenders collapsed like sacks of potatoes. It seemed to me that the one on our side (WSU) noticed the other one had gone down, stayed down for a brief while to try and make it look respectable, and then just got up and walked away - no sign of a limp.

I think one of the players, at least, had cramp. Moyes was actually urging them to get up as there was only a couple of minutes to go (so it wasn't a planned break of play from the manager).

 

[nickjhs]

Who remembers that game at Wolves where we put 11 men behind the ball for a 0-0 under Hughton in possibly the dullest Premier league game ever?

You gotta do what you've got to do. If Everton come out and play we stuff them. It's up to us to devise a way of winning these games.

Nah, the low point for me was against Newcastle, with the Geordies singing ole for every pass, the only Brighton player close to being over the halfway line was Muzza

 

[Hugo Rune]

I have considered starting an Everton focused thread, but it wouldn't have looked like this one. When did we stop praising opposition teams efforts, stop giving credit to an excellent performance by the other team? We moan when we don't get enough credit from the pundits but won't give any out ourselves?

That was one of the very best defensive performances I have seen in the Premier League, and judging by their previous results it's clearly no fluke. Nothing could get past them, every shot blocked, every cross intercepted, every tackle made, every long ball dealt with. That team was born to defend and they did it marvellously with no let up for 90+. Welbeck got nothing out of them, Mitoma was ineffective, it's the quietest Pedro has been for us, dropping so deep to receive the ball he ended up being the last man on occasion.

Can call it dull, boring, whatever, and I'll agree, I like my teams to attack as much at the next man, but it was also masterful, a scary combination of Dyche's cold blooded approach to football and Moyes sheer competence at putting out a team greater than the sum of its parts.

A masterful defensive performance sprinkled with a generous portion of anti-football cynical time wasting that turned a the game into a stop/start shitfest.

Everton were very good at ‘breaking the momentum’, it’s a great tactic to stop the commentators stating ‘it’s been coming (a goal)’ because any momentum or pressure built up by us was immediately extinguished by two cheating Everton c***s dropping to the deck feigning injury or that c*** with the short arms (like a T-Rex) doing anything to delay a goal kick including sprinting toward the halfway line to talk to teammates or the ref when the c*** should be taking a goal kick.

I hated almost every minute of that frustrating shitfest and will be very cautious about having any expectations of seeing anything resembling a decent football game against Fulham or Leicester when they come to the Amex in the knowledge that it will be more of the same.

I’m crossing my fingers that Potter is incapable of playing this way when he visits due to some wrongly placed belief that there could be some other tactic he could use to get a point or three.

 

[pocketseagull]

I try to forget that season. Albion stunk the league out.

TBF to Hughton the first half had some great games. Wins against Manchester United, West Ham, Wolves, Newcastle, Huddesrfield and of course Crystal Palace. IIRC it was ironically enough Hughton's efforts to make us more attacking that failed so badly we had to go super negative to grind out points for survival. Definitely a season of two halves.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I haven't seen the game so take my comment with a pinch of salt but...

they're in a relegation dogfight. you play the way that will best get you the points that you need. It's up to us to deal with it.

As far as I can tell we lost because we were shit. That's the bigger issue IMO.

 

[Blue3]

Everton are in trouble they bring in Moles who knows the first thing he must do is to stop the goals going in and install a bit of new manager bounce having had 700 games in charge he knows how to do this.
It’s not pretty to watch it involves a lot of frustration tactics but if ultimately it keeps them up then I am sure the Everton fans would be more than happy..
As for Brighton we just seem to struggle against the poor teams which I think relates more to do with the other teams set up and mental attitude than our own.
When we play the better teams they view us as beatable and attack us which suits our game.
On Saturday for example playing Everton a clearly poorer team who I think view us differently and often pack the defence close the gap between defence and midfield and here’s our problem we lacked that one individual player with the key to unlock the game.
Saturday's game was crying out to play quickly moving the ball wide keeping it wide using both wings get the ball to the bi-line then find runners steaming into the box, we failed to do this instead we attacked to slowly cutting in from the wings to early and not taking to ball to the bi-line enough almost exclusively using the left wing

 

[Uh_huh_him]

We score, they change tactics.

The ' we score ' bit is the issue.

Yeah absolutely this.

The amount of times we come out after half time, and play with the intensity we should have had at the start, is ridiculous.

Start like that, every time, and we're in with a chance.

 

[oldboyroy]

I think one of the players, at least, had cramp. Moyes was actually urging them to get up as there was only a couple of minutes to go (so it wasn't a planned break of play from the manager).

Yep. 2 of their players went down with cramp I presume and Moyes was telling them both to get up, keep going!

 

[oldboyroy]

Again, talking to Everton fans, they agree their football isn't good on the eye but they have to get points and it's all they can do with current players. They played some good stuff against spurs (who doesn't) but they had to defend for their lives to see the game out when spurs improved.

 

[Swimboy64]

Isn’t the time that is wasted by a team just added on in the additional time?that would be the idea of it I thought.All the slow delaying tatics just means an extension surely
With that in mind it’s comical to see a player trying to waste time these days

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Every other game, someone - in Wolves case under O Neil it was always the goalkeeper - goes down injured on 20-25 minutes. The players then go for a drink and a tactical chat with the manager.

The interesting thing for me when that happens is that our players all stand around waiting for the game to restart.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I think one of the players, at least, had cramp. Moyes was actually urging them to get up as there was only a couple of minutes to go (so it wasn't a planned break of play from the manager).

Fair enough! The other one was being treated by a team mate, but that still leaves one going down for no reason.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I have considered starting an Everton focused thread, but it wouldn't have looked like this one. When did we stop praising opposition teams efforts, stop giving credit to an excellent performance by the other team? We moan when we don't get enough credit from the pundits but won't give any out ourselves?

That was one of the very best defensive performances I have seen in the Premier League, and judging by their previous results it's clearly no fluke. Nothing could get past them, every shot blocked, every cross intercepted, every tackle made, every long ball dealt with. That team was born to defend and they did it marvellously with no let up for 90+. Welbeck got nothing out of them, Mitoma was ineffective, it's the quietest Pedro has been for us, dropping so deep to receive the ball he ended up being the last man on occasion.

Can call it dull, boring, whatever, and I'll agree, I like my teams to attack as much at the next man, but it was also masterful, a scary combination of Dyche's cold blooded approach to football and Moyes sheer competence at putting out a team greater than the sum of its parts.

The masterful defence is one thing. It’s the cynical cheating and play acting which got me and, I presume, many others.
It was compounded by the fact that it was a controversial penalty. I accepted it at the time but having seen it again, it was dodgy and Veltman was fouled.