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[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

I am voting for .....

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 95 32.2%

  • Change UK

    Votes: 14 4.7%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 4 1.4%

  • Greens

    Votes: 61 20.7%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 1.0%

  • Labour

    Votes: 11 3.7%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 88 29.8%

  • Socialist Party

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • UK European Party

    Votes: 2 0.7%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • No-one !

    Votes: 15 5.1%
  • Total voters
    295
  • Poll closed .


Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
birthofanorange said:
Perhaps 'ratified' would have been a better choice. Whichever, it really isn't sour grapes (from me, anyway), just a genuine desire to see the best outcome for the country as a whole, and asking the people again...given what we've seen over the last 3 years is a reasonable way of going about it.
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no need it was all explained , you're a typical wolf in sheeps clothing :wink:
regards
DR
 








Baker lite

Baker lite

Banned
Mar 16, 2017
6,309
in my house
birthofanorange said:
Much as (from a Remain viewpoint) it wouldn't be the most helpful choice, I would like to see Remain or Leave with No Deal, as the two (assuming a binary choice....again) options.

Mainly because Leaving with a deal is proving impossible.
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I’m sure, that as remain lost the last referendum, the question on any future ratification will be, negotiated deal or no deal.


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birthofanorange

birthofanorange

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 31, 2011
6,482
David Gilmour's armpit
Is it PotG? said:
Not the most flexible bunch to negotiate with, I'm sure you'll agree.
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No, and why on earth should they be?

It's like you trying to break free from a work contract and expecting your boss to give you the best deal. You would be the same in that position, I'm sure.

At no point before or during the referendum was No Deal offered as an option if we voted to Leave.

Edit:

And you use the fact that we're struggling to get a deal as a reason why 'we wanted out'?
We put ourselves in this position, don't forget. :)
 
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Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,023
Pretty pink fairy said:
It's got nothing to do with that Greg , it's just a matter of a democratic vote in 2016 that needs to be implemented, no spin no arguments
regards
DR
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It's EVERYTHING to do with that. You said nothing's impossible. Some things are.
 








Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
birthofanorange said:
No, and why on earth should they be?

It's like you trying to break free from a work contract and expecting your boss to give you the best deal. You would be the same in that position, I'm sure.

At no point before or during the referendum was No Deal offered as an option if we voted to Leave.

Edit:

And you use the fact that we're struggling to get a deal as a reason why 'we wanted out'?
We put ourselves in this position, don't forget. :)
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The EU are not our boss # taking back control
regards
DR
 














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Neville's Breakfast

Well-known member
May 1, 2016
13,450
Oxton, Birkenhead
birthofanorange said:
Much as (from a Remain viewpoint) it wouldn't be the most helpful choice, I would like to see Remain or Leave with No Deal, as the two (assuming a binary choice....again) options.

Mainly because Leaving with a deal is proving impossible.
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It’s only proved impossible because the Tory establishment installed a Remain PM to do the negotiating. Your proposed referendum choices would not be approved by the Electoral Commission because it would exclude the large number of Leave voters who would like to leave with a deal that is not a betrayal of their vote. Therein lies your problem. Referendums only work with binary choices. We had one in 1975 and the result was honoured despite what you would refer to as unknown ‘pitfalls/consequences.’We had one in 2016 and it has not been honoured.
 


birthofanorange

birthofanorange

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Aug 31, 2011
6,482
David Gilmour's armpit
Neville's Breakfast said:
It’s only proved impossible because the Tory establishment installed a Remain PM to do the negotiating. Your proposed referendum choices would not be approved by the Electoral Commission because it would exclude the large number of Leave voters who would like to leave with a deal that is not a betrayal of their vote. Therein lies your problem. Referendums only work with binary choices. We had one in 1975 and the result was honoured despite what you would refer to as unknown ‘pitfalls/consequences.’We had one in 2016 and it has not been honoured.
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Remain or Leave (with No Deal) is a binary choice.

Leaving with a deal is/has/and may continue to prove impossible. So what options are left, other than Remain or Leave (with no deal), which, as you say, might exclude the Leavers who wish to leave with this elusive 'deal'?
 


Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
25,452
Sussex by the Sea
birthofanorange said:
Remain or Leave (with No Deal) is a binary choice.

Leaving with a deal is/has/and may continue to prove impossible. So what options are left, other than Remain or Leave (with no deal), which, as you say, might exclude the Leavers who wish to leave with this elusive 'deal'?
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So a 'Remain' cover all against a specific 'Leave, but only with no deal which we'll make sound awful'. Nice.
 








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