[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

[birthofanorange]

https://youtu.be/YG9ejIFAo2I
regards
DR

Nice clip of Farridge dodging the question. I'm quite surprised you posted that, but thanks.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I thought it was quite clear, tbh.

You clearly (as stated) feel better informed during the last 3 years and stand by your decision. That's great. However, there may possibly be those (on both sides) that have perhaps changed their stance, during the same period, and it is those to whom I am referring.

Does that help?

So, if we have a vote on something in the future, but the following week someone finds out some more info in Wiki, we need to do the whole malarkey again, ignoring Pt. 1 totally? I'm with you.

 

[birthofanorange]

So, if we have a vote on something in the future, but the following week someone finds out some more info in Wiki, we need to do the whole malarkey again, ignoring Pt. 1 totally? I'm with you.

Nah, that's just silly.

It's been 3 years...3 whole years and it's pretty much as it was when it started. If I decided to do something 3 years ago (that seemed a great idea at the time), yet 3 years on I still hadn't managed it, but had perhaps seen some new reasons to not do it (or to confirm that I really did want to do it), wouldn't I be a little foolish to ignore it and go blindly ahead with a decision I made a few years ago?
Because that's exactly what you're advocating.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

nothings impossible
regards
DR

Some things are. Such as getting every poster to agree on any given thread on NSC

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Nah, that's just silly.

It's been 3 years...3 whole years and it's pretty much as it was when it started. If I decided to do something 3 years ago (that seemed a great idea at the time), yet 3 years on I still hadn't managed it, but had perhaps seen some new reasons to not do it (or to confirm that I really did want to do it), wouldn't I be a little foolish to ignore it and go blindly ahead with a decision I made a few years ago?
Because that's exactly what you're advocating.

So a new referendum every three years ?

 

[birthofanorange]

So a new referendum every three years ?

Nope, I think most of the info/potential pitfalls/consequences/advantages are already out there....certainly far, far more than 3 years ago, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Nah, that's just silly.

It's been 3 years...3 whole years and it's pretty much as it was when it started. If I decided to do something 3 years ago (that seemed a great idea at the time), yet 3 years on I still hadn't managed it, but had perhaps seen some new reasons to not do it (or to confirm that I really did want to do it), wouldn't I be a little foolish to ignore it and go blindly ahead with a decision I made a few years ago?
Because that's exactly what you're advocating.

The reason it has been dragged out to three years is a combination of Eurocrats not wanting us to go, remainers not wanting us to go and hence putting as many clogs in the wheels (nice Euro origin of saboteur) hoping this would happen or we'd all just forget about it and succumb to our Euromasters once more. Should have been completed without fuss, as I'm sure you would agree sounding quite sensible, but being glued to something so ridiculously difficult to depart from is NOT a healthy position to be in.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Nice clip of Farridge dodging the question. I'm quite surprised you posted that, but thanks.

You're welcome , always good to hear from Nige
regards
DR

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Nope, I think most of the info/potential pitfalls/consequences/advantages are already out there....certainly far, far more than 3 years ago, wouldn't you agree?

Not really. We had an in/out referendum and the vote was out. The Tories then installed a Remain PM who negotiated a deal acceptable to no-one. The pitfalls/consequences of which you speak are part of that process. For several decades we have been a part of an EU that changed to a degree that it was nothing like the one we voted to join. We weren’t granted a vote on these material changes for forty odd years so I am disinclined to support a new vote within three.

 

[birthofanorange]

The reason it has been dragged out to three years is a combination of Eurocrats not wanting us to go, remainers not wanting us to go and hence putting as many clogs in the wheels (origin of saboteur) hoping this would happen or we'd all just forget about it and succumb to our Euromasters once more. Should have been completed without fuss, as I'm sure you would agree sounding quite sensible, but being glued to something so ridiculously difficult to depart from is NOT a healthy position to be in.

Of course I can agree that Remainers don't want to go, and of course hoping that this would happen, but it is Brexit 'supporters' who are blocking it. As for "succumbing to our Euromasters"...seriously? Have you been watching too much Dr.Who?
As you rightly said, it IS ridiculously hard to depart from, and it if we do it the 'wrong way' (if indeed there is a 'right way') the consequences might be pretty dire.....so I see nothing wrong with asking people if it's still what is wanted...at any cost.
If, as is constantly claimed on here, that's it's still (as in 'now') the 'Will of the people', then let them speak - Leave should have no worries about having it confirmed.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The reason it has been dragged out to three years is a combination of Eurocrats not wanting us to go, remainers not wanting us to go and hence putting as many clogs in the wheels (nice Euro origin of saboteur) hoping this would happen or we'd all just forget about it and succumb to our Euromasters once more. Should have been completed without fuss, as I'm sure you would agree sounding quite sensible, but being glued to something so ridiculously difficult to depart from is NOT a healthy position to be in.

the longer it dragged on the better they seemed to feel, the problem is they wont be feeling so great some time leading up to or on the 31st October 2019 even if they like to put a bit of spin and a brave face on the matter.
regards
DR

 

[birthofanorange]

Not really. We had an in/out referendum and the vote was out. The Tories then installed a Remain PM who negotiated a deal acceptable to no-one. The pitfalls/consequences of which you speak are part of that process. For several decades we have been a part of an EU that changed to a degree that it was nothing like the one we voted to join. We weren’t granted a vote on these material changes for forty odd years so I am disinclined to support a new vote within three.

Yes, a simple In/Out vote that had little or no substance. That has changed. As such, people may have changed, too. Just because you haven't, doesn't mean you should prevent others having the option too.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Of course I can agree that Remainers don't want to go, and of course hoping that this would happen, but it is Brexit 'supporters' who are blocking it. As for "succumbing to our Euromasters"...seriously? Have you been watching too much Dr.Who?
As you rightly said, it IS ridiculously hard to depart from, and it if we do it the 'wrong way' (if indeed there is a 'right way') the consequences might be pretty dire.....so I see nothing wrong with asking people if it's still what is wanted...at any cost.
If, as is constantly claimed on here, that's it's still (as in 'now') the 'Will of the people', then let them speak - Leave should have no worries about having it confirmed.

I'm happy with the, so far unfulfilled, result of 2016. People did speak. Not how you wanted it granted, but they did.

The word you use 'confirmed' is quite revealing. Sounds very much like a best of 3/5/7/9/11 ad infinitum proposal rather than simply accepting the result with decency.

 

[birthofanorange]

You're welcome , always good to hear from Nige
regards
DR

Yep, nothing wrong with seeing the acceptable face of racism on NSC.

 

[Baker lite]

Interesting this lunchtime that the war criminal Cambell was booted out of the anti Semitic Labour Party, for voting Liberal Democrat’s, why would He vote for party that tried to kill off the Albion if Labour was the remain supporting party he was insisting it was Sunday evening?
What a time to be alive if you have in interest in politics.


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[Neville's Breakfast]

Yes, a simple In/Out vote that had little or no substance. That has changed. As such, people may have changed, too. Just because you haven't, doesn't mean you should prevent others having the option too.

Have you given any thought as to the question you would like to ask in a new referendum?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Some things are. Such as getting every poster to agree on any given thread on NSC

It's got nothing to do with that Greg , it's just a matter of a democratic vote in 2016 that needs to be implemented, no spin no arguments
regards
DR

 

[birthofanorange]

I'm happy with the, so far unfulfilled, result of 2016. People did speak. Not how you wanted it granted, but they did.

The word you use 'confirmed' is quite revealing. Sounds very much like a best of 3/5/7/9/11 ad infinitum proposal rather than simply accepting the result with decency.

Perhaps 'ratified' would have been a better choice. Whichever, it really isn't sour grapes (from me, anyway), just a genuine desire to see the best outcome for the country as a whole, and asking the people again...given what we've seen over the last 3 years is a reasonable way of going about it.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yep, nothing wrong with seeing the acceptable face of racism on NSC.

that's some chip you've got on your shoulder, must weigh heavy on you , take it easy pal
regards
DR

 

[birthofanorange]

Have you given any thought as to the question you would like to ask in a new referendum?

Much as (from a Remain viewpoint) it wouldn't be the most helpful choice, I would like to see Remain or Leave with No Deal, as the two (assuming a binary choice....again) options.

Mainly because Leaving with a deal is proving impossible.