[Albion] Eiran Cashin

[Justice]

That brings the number of fit CBs (excluding Cashin) to 1, I do hope we see another

I'm not sure either of those things are true, he's not quick but he's not snailesque! There have been distant comparisons to Paul McGrath who payed a season for us in the mid 90s, he could barely run by then but still did great job.

You won't find many Derby fans saying Cashin is shit - I think they're mildly surprised that Brighton on are in for him and generally think that it's a really good fee. Take the money and Clarke in, it feels like we're having a decent window, as it were. Doesn't make Cashin shit.

That sounds like you think Clarke is equal or better option than Cashin. Not great news that.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

£10 m for a championship defender (and one that is hardly pulling up any trees) does seem ludicrous.

A few years ago that might have got you the top goalscorer in the championship.

Or half an Adam Webster from a Championship club

 

[brighton_tom]

£10 m for a championship defender (and one that is hardly pulling up any trees) does seem ludicrous.

A few years ago that might have got you the top goalscorer in the championship.

Absolutely loads of transfer fees from Championship clubs have been over £20m, £30m, or even £40m in recent years. Gray from Leeds £40m, Lavia from Southampton £60m, Adams from Leeds £25m, Collins from Burnley £22m, Berge from Burnley £22m, Livramento from Southampton £35m, Ake from Bournemouth £40m, Greaves to Ipswich £20m, Wharton to Palace £20m, Doucoure to Everton £20m. And that is just a selection of the defender or midfield signings. Attacking players have gone for more. We even bought Webster for £20m 6 years ago! So if we're getting this guy for £10m, then thats just what it is. Thinking we can actually pick him up for more like £5m just isnt going to happen. Maybe we could have done that when his contract was running down, but not now he's on a longer one.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

£10 m for a championship defender (and one that is hardly pulling up any trees) does seem ludicrous.

A few years ago that might have got you the top goalscorer in the championship.

I totally agree with you, but look at the other end of the spectrum. Caicedo isn't worth the £100m+ that Chelsea paid. And I still can't quite believe how Leeds' Ben White went for £50m. Not that he's not a good player, but it's a mind-boggling amount of money for him.

 

[mikeyjh]

That sounds like you think Clarke is equal or better option than Cashin. Not great news that.

Perhaps my comments need a bit of nuance - I think, in our position near the bottom of the championship, that there is going to be little difference to our defence in playing Cashin or Clarke for the next 3 months. Of course, Cashin has a higher ceiling and has some potential to play at a higher level that Clarke doesn't have. That and £10m or whatever is why I describe it as a good window - Hope that makes sense!

 

[chaileyjem]

Absolutely loads of transfer fees from Championship clubs have been over £20m, £30m, or even £40m in recent years. Gray from Leeds £40m, Lavia from Southampton £60m, Adams from Leeds £25m, Collins from Burnley £22m, Berge from Burnley £22m, Livramento from Southampton £35m, Ake from Bournemouth £40m, Greaves to Ipswich £20m, Wharton to Palace £20m, Doucoure to Everton £20m. And that is just a selection of the defender or midfield signings. Attacking players have gone for more. We even bought Webster for £20m 6 years ago! So if we're getting this guy for £10m, then thats just what it is. Thinking we can actually pick him up for more like £5m just isnt going to happen. Maybe we could have done that when his contract was running down, but not now he's on a longer one.

Yep. we've bought two £40m players from the Championship in the last 18 months.

 

[Gabbiano]

What if Ashworth or people behind the scenes who have left were the ones really leading our transfer hot streak?
Dahoud, Fati, an injured Milner, this summers rag tag bunch.
Worrying about Ali J etc as we had the data then too.

I think far more the issue is that other clubs have seen us take punts on talent from unknown leagues and succeed and are now doing the same. (Not that we were the first to do this, but certainly we had the biggest reputation for it)

Bournemouth, Forest etc are now fishing in these same ponds. Even Man City, who used to concentrate their spending on finished articles but now are buying up teenage centre backs.

Not only do we have more competition, but the added competition means these players are costing much more than they did even 3 years ago.

On topic, Cashin must have something that the data bots are crazy for. I don't see it personally, feels like another Clarke.

 

[ewe2]

With everyone fishing in our pond nowadays,our secret data,becomes even more valuable.However I see more signings that don’t make it as the competition becomes more intense.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Where did Bristol City finish in the championship when we spent £20m on Webster? I’m guessing 10-13th?

 

[pigmanovich]

Where did Bristol City finish in the championship when we spent £20m on Webster? I’m guessing 10-13th?

Finished 8th with Webster then 12th the following season

 

[Justice]

With everyone fishing in our pond nowadays,our secret data,becomes even more valuable.However I see more signings that don’t make it as the competition becomes more intense.

It’s not that secret anymore is it? Another guy owns it and appears to be selling it to other clubs.

 

[casbom]

It’s not that secret anymore is it? Another guy owns it and appears to be selling it to other clubs.

Apparently not to other Premier League Clubs, think the deal is only one Club per division if they agree to work with a Club

 

[Forster's Armband]

Apparently not to other Premier League Clubs, think the deal is only one Club per division if they agree to work with a Club

Surely not? Giving it to other clubs (whatever the deal) just increases the likelihood it gets leaked and then we have no advantage at all.

 

[Hiheidi]

Surely not? Giving it to other clubs (whatever the deal) just increases the likelihood it gets leaked and then we have no advantage at all.

The secretive analytics company helping clubs unearth next Moisés Caicedo

How Jamestown Analytics – the data firm providing the guiding hand behind Brighton & Hove Albion’s much-vaunted recruitment – is aiming to conquer the football world

www.thetimes.com

 

[chaileyjem]

Even Man City, who used to concentrate their spending on finished articles but now are buying up teenage centre backs.

and a £75M 25 year old centre forward who has 25 goals/assists from 27 games in the Bundesliga this season.

 

[chickens]

While Tony’s work on data was groundbreaking, and has the advantage of being the most tested and refined model, I’m afraid that he’s not alone in what he does, and hasn’t been for some time. For every Manchester United there is a Brentford.

That doesn’t make Tony’s data and models worthless, it just means that the level of advantage that we had even 5 years ago is greatly diminished.

We’re now at the sharp end, where our competitors have bigger budgets than us, and can afford to throw resource at a problem to try and catch up. We’ve seen top clubs come in and take players we’ve shown an interest in, they’ve learnt.

The higher you get, the tougher the competition, the established PL clubs were never going to let us waltz in and eat their lunch. We can still compete, and I certainly wouldn’t bet against Tony, but even Manchester United, the poster club for signing star names that were good last decade, are finally getting round to incorporating data into their transfer strategy.

I’m not saying the playing field is level, but other clubs have started incorporating data into their decision making to a far greater degree. The pool is getting more crowded.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

It’s not that secret anymore is it? Another guy owns it and appears to be selling it to other clubs.

It’s not being sold to any other PL club and all that is being sold is analysed data, the software behind it is still secret.

The data we get out of it will be very different to the data that Hearts, USG and Como get as we will be looking at different players in the main.

If anything the more clubs that get data and feedback can only improve the algorithms in the long run which will benefit anyone using Jamestown further.

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

While Tony’s work on data was groundbreaking, and has the advantage of being the most tested and refined model, I’m afraid that he’s not alone in what he does, and hasn’t been for some time. For every Manchester United there is a Brentford.

That doesn’t make Tony’s data and models worthless, it just means that the level of advantage that we had even 5 years ago is greatly diminished.

We’re now at the sharp end, where our competitors have bigger budgets than us, and can afford to throw resource at a problem to try and catch up. We’ve seen top clubs come in and take players we’ve shown an interest in, they’ve learnt.

The higher you get, the tougher the competition, the established PL clubs were never going to let us waltz in and eat their lunch. We can still compete, and I certainly wouldn’t bet against Tony, but even Manchester United, the poster club for signing star names that were good last decade, are finally getting round to incorporating data into their transfer strategy.

I’m not saying the playing field is level, but other clubs have started incorporating data into their decision making to a far greater degree. The pool is getting more crowded.

Other clubs are indeed incorporating data into their decision making. The advantage we have is that we have built up a reputation. Clubs and players in South America, Japan etc can see that we take players, develop them and sell them to the big clubs.
If you were an Argentinian young talent would you rather go to Brighton or say Everton based on what you have seen happen with players in the past that have come to us?
Other clubs can atempt to copy our data led approach but it s the reputation that we have built up over the years that will still give us the edge.

 

[The Fits]

The idea that the best teams in the world don’t have the best data is amusing. Fbref has data from Opta. Check Fbref and you’ll see a clear link between our potential transfers and the players on there with great stats. And that’s just the stuff available to us normal folk.
Difference is teams are seeing the value in taking a punt or concentrating on younger players.
Teams have data equal to ours.

 

[Beanstalk]

The secretive analytics company helping clubs unearth next Moisés Caicedo

How Jamestown Analytics – the data firm providing the guiding hand behind Brighton & Hove Albion’s much-vaunted recruitment – is aiming to conquer the football world

www.thetimes.com

You're spot on by posting the article, but the article title is so stupid.

Everyone knew about Moises' talent. We were just the only club with the contacts in Ecuador (thank you Billy Arce) to actually be able to facilitate an above table deal. Almost any other example (bar maybe Evan) would've been better.