[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[lasvegan]

Look at the carnage he has caused in 1 month !
He will be a bulldozer to society for the nexr 4 years and much of the damage he will cause will take years to put right, that is if it can be put right.
There may not be a world left, a habitable one anyway.
Whoever contracted the assasination shooter should have paid more and got a marksman.
Trump is a waste of DNA, Musk not far behind him.

What carnage is that exactly? The carnage of the last 3 years you mean?

Carry on as you are if you like and there may be not a world left. But you can’t blame Trump for that.

 

[spence]

Look at the carnage he has caused in 1 month !
He will be a bulldozer to society for the nexr 4 years and much of the damage he will cause will take years to put right, that is if it can be put right.
There may not be a world left, a habitable one anyway.
Whoever contracted the assasination shooter should have paid more and got a marksman.
Trump is a waste of DNA, Musk not far behind him.

Absolute drivel

 

[Rdodge30]

Plus let’s not forget that Trump only means to get his hands on Ukraine’s resources.

He’ll do any deal with Putin to end the hostilities so he has a chance to start exploiting Ukraine.

Which will rip off the Ukrainian people, empower Putin and guarantee more fighting in the future.

Zelenskyy is trying to secure a future for his people and won’t settle for the slapdash, greedy deal that Trump is trying to rush through.

Zelenskyy not going to settle for a deal that condemns his people.

That makes him VERY worthy of office.

He certainly seemed to be ready to do the deal for the most part of the meeting and also this on BBC today:

Volodymyr Zelensky has said he is still "ready to sign" a US-Ukraine minerals deal after leaving the White House without it being agreed

 

[Rdodge30]

3 weeks ago the bookies had him at 33/1 to secure a third term, more recently he is 9/2.

It’s not that long standing a law that prevents a third term, FDR served more than twice

 

[Rdodge30]

Bush : Putin invaded Georgia

Obama : Putin invaded Crimea

Biden : Putin invaded Ukraine

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Bush : Putin invaded Georgia

Obama : Putin invaded Crimea

Biden : Putin invaded Ukraine

Kind of the point isn't it. You need a lasting piece with security guarantees or he'll just do it again. Every second US presidential term by the look of it

 

[Bold Seagull]

Churchill took the knee in the U S he begged for support repeatedly and eventually accepted support which took the U K 75 years to repay …. 75 years of debt!! Paid off finally in 2020’s

Churchill understood both the balance of power and the needs of his people

Roosevelt was desperate to help the allies from the very beginning of the war. Destroyers for bases was signed in 1940 as was the Land-lease agreement. Roosevelt’s problem was American public opinion. Churchill’s was the time it was taking. Ch

The land-lease agreements were complex and involved various calculations, valuing economic concessions etc. that were designed to take a long time.

Using this historic narrative to suggest Zelenskyy should have just taken whatever insults or lies came his way is really a lack of knowledge about the events of WWII, or that Churchill needed to beg Roosevelt to help. He simply didn’t. Roosevelt helped Churchill understand what he needed to convince Congress. The two worked together and of course became great friends.

 

[Rdodge30]

Roosevelt was desperate to help the allies from the very beginning of the war. Destroyers for bases was signed in1940 as was the Land-lease agreement. Roosevelt’s problem was American public opinion. Churchill’s was the time it was taking. Ch

The land-lease agreements were complex and involved various calculations, valuing economic concessions etc. that were designed to take a long time.

Using this historic narrative to suggest Zelenskyy should have just taken whatever insults or lies came his way is really a lack of knowledge about the events of WWII, or that Churchill needed to beg Roosevelt to help. He simply didn’t. Roosevelt helped Churchill understand what he needed to convince Congress. The two worked together and of course became great friends.

Much of that is true but as I understand it Churchill was refused support from the U.S. in July 1940 and they didn’t become involved at all in any way until it was in their own interests after Pearl Harbour, December 1941

Either way - we paid for our aid then and we are shelling out billions and billions of aid for Ukraine as are many other countries.

 

[peterward]

Few years old but this is why Trump sits in white house, the same problem with much of the reform base in UK

Illiterate people who are easily manupulated and actually pretty clueless.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Much of that is true but as I understand it Churchill was refused support from the U.S. in July 1940 and they didn’t become involved at all in any way until it was in their own interests after Pearl Harbour, December 1941

Either way - we paid for our aid then and we are shelling out billions and billions of aid for Ukraine as are many other countries.

At the end of WWII when we agreed the lend-lease liabilities were turned into the anglo-american loan, mainly because we wanted to keep much of what was supposed to be returned (that hadn't been destroyed), the US wrote off a large amount of what the UK could have owed. In effect the US had gifted a large amount that went unpaid to the UK's and other countries war effort.

I don't know the exact figures, I'd have to look them up, but the US shipped something like $30bn (in 1940s money) to the UK under lend-lease with the anglo-american loan which you referred to as the debt we finally repaid in 2006 was $3.75bn. https://history.blog.gov.uk/2020/12...american-financial-agreement-6-december-1945/

 

[BadFish]

The people of Vermont tell Vance where to go

 

[BadFish]

Is this the beginnings of a backlash?

 

[BadFish]

Brilliant to see Americans standing up for themselves. After being accused of anti American sentiment we should post of these good people.



maybe a thread full of people telling Trump and Musk to get f***ed?? ,

 

[BadFish]

An oldie but a goodie

 

[BadFish]

Don't worry I'm going to bed in a minute. But this stuff is giving me a bit of hope. For a while there it seemed like it was only Bernie Saunders standing up to this shit.

 

[BBassic]

1,461 days to go

 

[fly high]

Don't worry I'm going to be in a minute. But this stuff is giving me a bit of hope. For a while there it seemed like it was only Bernie Saunders standing up to this shit.

Yes everyone needs to stop buying Teslas they also need to shut down their Titter/X accounts. What else does the c##t make money from which we can boycott? Not chance I'd ever buy a Tesla & have never signed up to Twitter/X so need something I can avoid.

 

[Algernon]

1,461 days to go

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[BadFish]

Yes everyone needs to stop buying Teslas they also need to shut down their Titter/X accounts. What else does the c##t make money from which we can boycott? Not chance I'd ever buy a Tesla & have never signed up to Twitter/X so need something I can avoid.

I deleted my accounts at the weekend and wouldn't buy a Tesla.

 

[Springal]