[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[GT49er]

You sound exactly like Bushy!

Where is he these days? Oh sorry, forgot, was banned for being a (consistent) racist.

And you sound like one of those referred to.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

There's two different things here!

Pootin is to blame for starting the war.

At this moment in time , zelensky is to blame for not trying hard enough to stop the war.

But it's not his war to stop! And it's certainly not his place to be bullied into making concessions that potentially puts his country further at risk.

Russian forces shouldn't be in Ukraine. So it's up to Putin to get them out of he wants peace (I doubt he does, but IF he does, he wants the land more).

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’m very, very grateful that fifty years ago, people were made of sterner stuff than you.

With your cowardly attitude, the Nazi armies would have marched across the entire globe.

Now, more than anytime in the last 50 years, we need strength and unity. Not capitulation. And certainly not the likes of you or Trump.

Yes. Life can be shit. Man up or it gets a whole lot more shit.

My Dad was regular Navy in 1939, and served on convoys. America only came into the war once Japan attacked. Everything they sent to Britain was on lend-lease. We had to pay every dime back.
Russia was helped by us taking convoys to Murmansk, from NI, Iceland and Scotland. In 2012, the Arctic Star was finally awarded. I claimed my Dad’s posthumously. Another veteran told me the Russians had also issued a medal, which I could claim from the Russian embassy. I refused because my Dad couldn’t stand the USSR.
He saw what happened when the Allies reached Berlin. Within three years, the USSR tried to cut Berlin off from West Germany. 1948, we had to organise an airlift to sustain Berlin. 1961, the wall was built.
Poland and the other East European countries were as occupied as they were under the Nazis.

In 1989, Glastnost was welcomed by the world as freedom at last by Europe finally open again.
Only Belarus has been reclaimed by Moscow. I worked with a woman from Belarus who married a Brit. She was diagnosed with terminal cancer 12 years ago, and wanted to visit her family. The Belarussian Embassy refused to give her a visa, saying she should use her old passport, not her British one. She knew if she did, she wouldn’t get out again. They also refused to let her sisters visit here to see here.

Yet, we still have Putin apologists here saying Velenskyy should just give in. Forget their stolen children, and their country. Just allow Putin & Trump to walk in and help themselves.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Admin, please can we think about separating politics from the Big Board and giving it its own group?

You have the option to ‘ignore thread‘. It’s on the first post.

 

[dwayne]

But it's not his war to stop! And it's certainly not his place to be bullied into making concessions that potentially puts his country further at risk.

Russian forces shouldn't be in Ukraine. So it's up to Putin to get them out of he wants peace (I doubt he does, but IF he does, he wants the land more).

But the second paragraph ain't gonna happen, pootin doesn't care anymore , he will be dead in a few years. So to avoid this war going on for
ever and more needless deaths and money down the drain. How about reach a compromise and be the bigger person?

What other option is there?

 

[dwayne]

You have the option to ‘ignore thread‘. It’s on the first post.

It's amazing how many on this board cry about a debate on politics. Why is it so hard to accept people have different opinions?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But the second paragraph ain't gonna happen, pootin doesn't care anymore , he will be dead in a few years. So to avoid this war going on for
ever and more needless deaths and money down the drain. How about reach a compromise and be the bigger person?

What other option is there?

The Russian leaders don’t know the meaning of compromise. Their attitude is power is everything.

Edit look at Georgia.

 

[dwayne]

The Russian leaders don’t know the meaning of compromise. Their attitude is power is everything.

So the war must go on forever then. No point in trying to stop it ?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Vance started shat sh*tshow last night on second viewing maybe it was all pre planned from trump and vance ?

 

[darkwolf666]

Admin, please can we think about separating politics from the Big Board and giving it its own group?

Why? There is a quite clear "politics" tag on the thread title. If you don't like the politics threads, don't click on the ones marked politics!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So the war must go on forever then. No point in trying to stop it ?

Forever is a long time.

 

[Since1982]

So, what now? Is there a role for Starmer to act as the mediator between Trump and Zelensky? Somebody has to and it feels like at the moment he is best placed to do that.

 

[darkwolf666]

Vance started shat sh*tshow last night on second viewing maybe it was all pre planned from trump and vance ?

I thought it was the tw@ asking why Zelenskyy wasn't wearing a suit that set the tone.

This was a living real life Twitter pile on, with supposed grown ups ganging up on one man, shouting him down and embarrassing him for political (and financial) gain!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Vance started shat sh*tshow last night on second viewing maybe it was all pre planned from trump and vance ?

The way Zelenskyy was humiliated, yes, I agree.

Judging by the support from other countries towards Ukraine, afterwards, it didn’t work.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

So, what now? Is there a role for Starmer to act as the mediator between Trump and Zelensky? Somebody has to and it feels like at the moment he is best placed to do that.

I agree that is why I think it might have all been pre planned

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The way Zelenskyy was humiliated, yes, I agree.

Judging by the support from other countries towards Ukraine, afterwards, it didn’t work.

I agree that is why I think it might have all been pre planned

 

[Poskettspurpose]

You have the option to ‘ignore thread‘. It’s on the first post.

I’m just suggesting we separate the football from the politics?

 

[Cordwainer]

I thought it was the tw@ asking why Zelenskyy wasn't wearing a suit that set the tone.

This was a living real life Twitter pile on, with supposed grown ups ganging up on one man, shouting him down and embarrassing him for political (and financial) gain!

Pathetic isn’t it (he’s supposedly the bf of MTG so no doubt she helped instigate)..but it’s the way they roll..not proper politicians with proper political ideals..just childish insults, sowing division and world leading levels of hypocrisy.

 

[brightn'ove]

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[maffew]

What is reasonable for Zelenskyy to give up to get peace?

You are doing that thing like your leader.
It's not reasonable to give up anything.
I don't think you guys understand what peace looks like. It's not capitulating giving land to invaders that invade and just take it. It doesn't stop there, without guarantees they will take more.
What would have been reasonable 80 years ago for peace? Poland, France?
Is peace allowing China to take Taiwan unchallenged?
Trump Canada? I mean if he wants it he can take it right? If he does, and Canada wanted peace, hypothetically, they ought would do nothing under the Trumps rules order on how things should work
Putins peace offering is to keep the 20% so far of occupied land. It would be more but for the Ukrainians with US and EU support. Not just that, importantly their sovereignty. It will be more, probably all of it without support. Oh and their POWs, precious raw materials.

When Putin is done with that the next wins are Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Problem was they are part of NATO. Problem is, NATO is now weak with a Russian partner in the so called leader of the free world f***ing up the world order.

As long as the US is OK under president's Trump, Musk, and vice president clueless Vance the rest of the world can go f*** them selves.

It will come to bite you when Trumps deals imposing tariffs start actually pushing up your prices and inflation rises and all the clowns who believed they were going to be better off under this administration are looking at the price of eggs and realizing this isn't what we were promised/voted for. Or they can't pay their mortgage because they were fired by email by an unelected guy from Africa

He can bully through property deals. But politics and democracy doesn't work that way. Trump might think they do, in the long run they can't. I'm the future hopefully the kids and grandkids of Americans will look back and think how on earth did my parents vote for this, how didn't they see it was a bad idea electing a felon. The rest of the world can see it. Democrats all know it. Republicans are either blinded to it, dumb, or too spineless/worried about their jobs to speak out

So what's reasonable? Nothing. A possible compromise/half way meet, Crimea. Which should have been the warning sign. Anything else isn't peace. It's looting. Like allowing people to walk into a bank with a gun and giving them all the money in order to keep "peace" as it's the easiest thing to do. And then think that they wouldn't rob the bank next door