Devolution Referendum

[Waynflete]

Tell me what i've said that is stupid in that post ? According to your standards , because we committed atrocities in the 19th and 20th centuries , we have no right to judge people who do the same now , am I right ?

No, what was stupid was your assertion that what happened in Rwanda and other parts of Africa is 'endemic, engrained in their culture' - implying that these atrocities don't happen elsewhere. Your assertion to BadFish that atrocities elsewhere (e.g. the Balkans) are isolated while they are frequent in Africa is, I would suggest, wrong.

Despite what selective attention to media reports might suggest, Africa in general is not rife with inter-ethnic violence. Conflict exists, of course, but mostly in specific places, as it does in all other parts of the world (Thailand or Central Asia, for example, let alone the bloody recent history of Europe).

I would add that your implication that violence is endemic across Africa, as if all of Africa is culturally the same, is also completely misguided. What has happened in Darfur and South Sudan, for example, has been the product of an Arab-African conflict - very different from Rwanda, eastern Congo or Cote d'Ivoire, for example.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Chopping people up with machetes seems to be very much part of AFRICAN culture yes, I wont bother posting links , you can do your own googling, but we all know what has gone on in sierra leone, uganda, rwanda and a host of other places in africa, and if you want my honest opinion , genocide might not be ingrained in the culture , but i wouldn't definitely say it isnt, like it or not, and I fully expect to be flamed for this , africans , in general , and with exceptions , are way , way behind a lot of the world in terms of civilisation.

You do reallise that Africa is a f***ing huge continent right? That it includes the pyramids of Egypt, the markets, sunshine and excellent food that make Morocco a desirable tourist destination, the oil rich areas of Nigeria, the emerging tourist scene in Senegal, the relative prosperity of Nambia, the rugby and cricket fields of South Africa? Of course there is civil war and of course there is crime. Mostly because of guess what - the legacy of slavery and successive European empires. Good grief.

 

[BadFish]

Chopping people up with machetes seems to be very much part of AFRICAN culture yes, I wont bother posting links , you can do your own googling, but we all know what has gone on in sierra leone, uganda, rwanda and a host of other places in africa, and if you want my honest opinion , genocide might not be ingrained in the culture , but i wouldn't definitely say it isnt, like it or not, and I fully expect to be flamed for this , africans , in general , and with exceptions , are way , way behind a lot of the world in terms of civilisation.

Way behind Western Culture in many many way Bushy. it might interest you to look into the REASONS for that. There are many many reasons why Western nations and corporations continue to keep Africa way behind in so so many ways.

Most African countries have been changed beyond recognition since European invasion and western occupation, and any comments on culture shifts since that time should take this into account. Maybe violence is a huge part of African but then so are poverty, disease and starvation. My suggestion would be that the latter goes a long way to explain the former.

I would also like to add that if we were to play tit for tat with genocide and mass murder I think i could match you and probably beat you with similar acts in Europe. Does this suggest that violence and genocide are endemic in European culture as well?

 

[User removed 4]

No, what was stupid was your assertion that what happened in Rwanda and other parts of Africa is 'endemic, engrained in their culture' - implying that these atrocities don't happen elsewhere. Your assertion to BadFish that atrocities elsewhere (e.g. the Balkans) are isolated while they are frequent in Africa is, I would suggest, wrong.

Despite what selective attention to media reports might suggest, Africa in general is not rife with inter-ethnic violence. Conflict exists, of course, but mostly in specific places, as it does in all other parts of the world (Thailand or Central Asia, for example, let alone the bloody recent history of Europe).

I would add that your implication that violence is endemic across Africa, as if all of Africa is culturally the same, is also completely misguided. What has happened in Darfur and South Sudan, for example, has been the product of an Arab-African conflict - very different from Rwanda, eastern Congo or Cote d'Ivoire, for example.

Is that the country that anybody normal would call the Ivory Coast ?

 

[BadFish]

Is that the country that anybody normal would call the Ivory Coast ?

Great argument Bushy, you have got him on the run there.

 

[Waynflete]

Is that the country that anybody normal would call the Ivory Coast ?

Thanks. Good to see you've finally given up on this argument.

 

[User removed 4]

Thanks. Good to see you've finally given up on this argument.

Not at all , I just couldn't resist pointing out how pretentious that is.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Not at all , I just couldn't resist pointing out how pretentious that is.

It seems to be fairly commonplace to use either these days, particularly in the football media.

Out of interest, is your time share apartment in the 'Costa del Sol' or 'The Sunny Coast'?

 

[Dave the OAP]

be interesting as a fall out from this, if the Union Flag is changed, presumably every country in the world that had the union flag on it, say Australia and New Zealand will have to change their flag too.

Also, I assume the British Navy will have to relocate the bases of Faslane etc to the UK...I suppose in a strange way that would bring employment down to dockyards where it is wanted at the moment.

 

[User removed 4]

It seems to be fairly commonplace to use either these days, particularly in the football media.

Out of interest, is your time share apartment in the 'Costa del Sol' or 'The Sunny Coast'?

I dont have a timeshare aprtment , now you're getting personal, don't.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I dont have a timeshare aprtment , now you're getting personal, don't.

Oh Bushy. Bless you. Sorry - I didn't mean to offend, by playing on a stereotype. What a bad person I am.

 

[User removed 4]

Oh Bushy. Bless you. Sorry - I didn't mean to offend, by playing on a stereotype. What a bad person I am.

Thats just it with wankers like you , quite happy to stereotype and sneer at people from the white working class, though you'd choke on your skinny latte if someone steereotyped a black man.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Thats just it with wankers like you , quite happy to stereotype and sneer at people from the white working class, though you'd choke on your skinny latte if someone steereotyped a black man.

What, for example by suggesting that because he talks into his phone loudly, he's an illiterate goat-herder, who's culture compells him to hack kids up with machetes? No, I think that's fair enough, tbh.

 

[Common as Mook]

What, for example by suggesting that because he talks into his phone loudly, he's an illiterate goat-herder, who's culture compells him to hack kids up with machetes? No, I think that's fair enough, tbh.

Snigger

 

[User removed 4]

What, for example by suggesting that because he talks into his phone loudly, he's an illiterate goat-herder, who's culture compells him to hack kids up with machetes? No, I think that's fair enough, tbh.

Just how many wonderfully educated africans do you encounter on your bus to work in the morning from chandlers ford to whereever ? They must be very different to the ones on my bus busily screaming into their mobiles, eagerly exploring the contents of their nasal cavity with their index fingers and coughing into my face without covering their mouths , to mention just a few of the wonderful cultural additions they've brought with them

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Just how many wonderfully educated africans do you encounter on your bus to work in the morning from chandlers ford to whereever ?

You use this argument EVERY time bushy. Its very tiresome.

Just to clarify: its fair enough for you to deduce what is 'endemic and cultural' in all of Africa, from watching the news now and again, but the rest of us are not entitled to a view on immigration or associated social issues, unless we live in the Bronx?

 

[User removed 4]

You use this argument EVERY time bushy. Its very tiresome.

Just to clarify: its fair enough for you to deduce what is 'endemic and cultural' in all of Africa, from watching the news now and again, but the rest of us are not entitled to a view on immigration or associated social issues, unless we live in the Bronx?

I use the argument every time because its true, ivory towers and all that. Its tiresome because you havent got an answer for it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I dont have a timeshare aprtment , now you're getting personal, don't.

Ah, Bushy get's upset by a tenuous personal post. The same person who happily has referred to me as a loser, a bumpkin and a hell of a lot of other names, made references to my mother in the past and called Nibble a failed actor a week or so ago.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I use the argument every time because its true, ivory towers and all that. Its tiresome because you havent got an answer for it.

Where I live is very middle-class Bushy. I offer no apologies for that, and nor should I have to. It doesn't matter that its TRUE that not everybody has the same personal exposure to different parts of society, and different social issues - the simple fact is that it does not disqualify them from holding sensible and in many cases educated views on the subjects arising.

You're clearly an educated man, but your views are so narrow minded on subjects of race, that I'm utterly baffled why you don't understand how people view you as a bigot.

 

[BadFish]

Just how many wonderfully educated africans do you encounter on your bus to work in the morning from chandlers ford to whereever ? They must be very different to the ones on my bus busily screaming into their mobiles, eagerly exploring the contents of their nasal cavity with their index fingers and coughing into my face without covering their mouths , to mention just a few of the wonderful cultural additions they've brought with them

Oh my god you travel by bus.....how common. Anyway must dash I have to take Tarquin for his yoga and get my skinny frapachinno.