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Looks like Roy Kinnear playing the role of 'Steve Mclaren the England years'
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Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc
They have completed a few signings I believe, but no bonafide first teamers on the face of it.
They are signings who we would consider “development” players. That may not end up being the case, but how it appears.
I would however cut them a little slack In this regard. Most teams haven’t done much recruitment yet (eg, like fellow promoted West Brom).
It’s a nice change that we’re so ahead of the game in our end of season business already.
Just to confirm: you are claiming that Bielsa “made” Ben White?
Not sure what Hughton has got to do with anything - he is not our manager.
Graham Potter gives young players a chance so you are barking up the wrong tree mate.
That’s nonsense, Bielsa has completely changed the culture of the club from the layout of the training ground pretty much designing it to way he wants it, has the club built around his whole ethos. If promises are made to him & kept there is no ticking time bomb. He left lazio because what they had promised was a lie. He’s a man of principle & is humble. He paid 2m out of his own money to build newells a training ground, he lives in a flat above a shop. Bielsa prefers his squads to be 18 senior players with the rest from the youth teams. So the u23’s are constantly training with the first team learning his methods which is why we’ve had so many debuts over the past 2 years they know the system inside out & he has full faith in the kids ability to just slot in.
Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc
Fair enough, the situation has made it a very unusual end of season and summer transfer window. However, net first team signings of -1 and a manager who hasn't put pen to paper with 4 weeks until the season starts is hardly grounds for predictions of a top 10 finish, is it?
So what happens when he leaves, as I presume he won't be around for ever?That’s nonsense, Bielsa has completely changed the culture of the club from the layout of the training ground pretty much designing it to way he wants it, has the club built around his whole ethos. If promises are made to him & kept there is no ticking time bomb. He left lazio because what they had promised was a lie. He’s a man of principle & is humble. He paid 2m out of his own money to build newells a training ground, he lives in a flat above a shop. Bielsa prefers his squads to be 18 senior players with the rest from the youth teams. So the u23’s are constantly training with the first team learning his methods which is why we’ve had so many debuts over the past 2 years they know the system inside out & he has full faith in the kids ability to just slot in.
Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc
So what happens when he leaves, as I presume he won't be around for ever?
You will never have a better manager again, and he would never be slated if he just decided to go, say, one day before the season kicks off, correct?
It is what we call "built on a bed of sand".
That’s nonsense, Bielsa has completely changed the culture of the club from the layout of the training ground pretty much designing it to way he wants it, has the club built around his whole ethos. If promises are made to him & kept there is no ticking time bomb. He left lazio because what they had promised was a lie. He’s a man of principle & is humble. He paid 2m out of his own money to build newells a training ground, he lives in a flat above a shop. Bielsa prefers his squads to be 18 senior players with the rest from the youth teams. So the u23’s are constantly training with the first team learning his methods which is why we’ve had so many debuts over the past 2 years they know the system inside out & he has full faith in the kids ability to just slot in.
Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc
I wouldnt expect you to know much abuot Brighton or its managers. But to compare Hughton and Potter shows you actually know nothing.
You'd be right in saying Hughton was poor in bringing youngsters through and didnt trust the youth, its a big part in why he was fired, our owner has spent a fortune on our cat 1 academy and training facilities and we have a shit load of young and very talented players in the club as you have witnessed with just 1 of them. But to say that Potter is not of the same ilk shows how little you know of the man.
Lets start with why and how Potter was employed. Brighton headhunted Dan Ashworth,a former pro player and the former elite performance director at the FA, knows all the England youngsters at every level, it was he that created "The England DNA" a system that was responsible for tying the whole England youth set ups from junior to younger teams up to U21 etc to senior team and ensuring consistency across coaching and getting promising youngsters to the top of the game. It was Dan Ashworth, who after being headhunted by our club, and is now our technical director, that said to our owner, Graham Potter is the man you want. He has been admired greatly in the halls of the FA in developing and bringing through youngsters into the team. Having taken an unheard of club near the arctic circle, form the Swedish 4th division to champions of its top division and into Europe to then transform a decimated Swansea after a fire sale of its best players by developing and promoting youth, including Daniel James. He was chosen as exactly the right man to bridge the transition of our fantastic academy set up to the first team and hes already proving it was an inspired choice.
"Harry Potters Dad" where Ben White will allegedly "stagnate", has this year promoted 2 of our academy players straight into the PL squad, Ben Whites bestie Aaron Connolly 19 years old, scored 2 on his debut against Spurs and has since gone onto being picked numerous times and starting in the first team of the Republic of Ireland. The other Steven Alzate, born in this country to English/Colombian parents aged 21, has gone onto full caps with Columbia (whom he chose to represent). Its just absurd how your ill informed fans think we don't promote youth or that Ben White wont progress or flourish here. We have managed his youth to PL first team path impeccably. Maybe Bielsa has used more youth players than Potter thus far, he's had 2 yeas versus 1 and he's promoting them into Championship games not PL ones. We do use a lot of the youngsters in the cup games. Lets see how many untried 18 year olds he throws in next season.
And finally, the one major difference we have, is that our structure, from recruitment, to our academy, our first class training facilities, our former FA elite performance director, our development path manager all the way up to match day squad is a structure where no one individual is irreplaceable, its not a house of cards like you have. Where everything rests on whether Bielsa stays or goes. If Potter chose to leave, as sad as that would be, plenty of other young progressive managers could slot in and the whole structure is un-affected. If Bielsa walked the house of cards collapses.
Pep Guardiola was glowing with praise for him after they narrowly beat Swansea sesaon before and last after our encounters,describing him as "one of the best English managers"
If you can be arsed, Whites Bestie's words...... after signing his new 4 year contract (sound like a footballing graveyard where youth have no chance, and you cant make your national team unless under Bielsa??) https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/1745612/connolly-signs-on-for-another-four-years
Sorry if this damages the delusions you keep telling yourself,........He wants to leave, we didnt know what we had on our hands, we carted him off on loan, nobody knew who he was before Bielsa made him, he'll not progress under harry Potters dad, he wants to leave, he's desperate to be Leeds, he's refused 2 contract offers with Brighton...... all of it is made up guff.
I wouldnt expect you to know much abuot Brighton or its managers. But to compare Hughton and Potter shows you actually know nothing.
You'd be right in saying Hughton was poor in bringing youngsters through and didnt trust the youth, its a big part in why he was fired, our owner has spent a fortune on our cat 1 academy and training facilities and we have a shit load of young and very talented players in the club as you have witnessed with just 1 of them. But to say that Potter is not of the same ilk shows how little you know of the man.
Lets start with why and how Potter was employed. Brighton headhunted Dan Ashworth,a former pro player and the former elite performance director at the FA, knows all the England youngsters at every level, it was he that created "The England DNA" a system that was responsible for tying the whole England youth set ups from junior to younger teams up to U21 etc to senior team and ensuring consistency across coaching and getting promising youngsters to the top of the game. It was Dan Ashworth, who after being headhunted by our club, and is now our technical director, that said to our owner, Graham Potter is the man you want. He has been admired greatly in the halls of the FA in developing and bringing through youngsters into the team. Having taken an unheard of club near the arctic circle, form the Swedish 4th division to champions of its top division and into Europe to then transform a decimated Swansea after a fire sale of its best players by developing and promoting youth, including Daniel James. He was chosen as exactly the right man to bridge the transition of our fantastic academy set up to the first team and hes already proving it was an inspired choice.
"Harry Potters Dad" where Ben White will allegedly "stagnate", has this year promoted 2 of our academy players straight into the PL squad, Ben Whites bestie Aaron Connolly 19 years old, scored 2 on his debut against Spurs and has since gone onto being picked numerous times and starting in the first team of the Republic of Ireland. The other Steven Alzate, born in this country to English/Colombian parents aged 21, has gone onto full caps with Columbia (whom he chose to represent). Its just absurd how your ill informed fans think we don't promote youth or that Ben White wont progress or flourish here. We have managed his youth to PL first team path impeccably. Maybe Bielsa has used more youth players than Potter thus far, he's had 2 yeas versus 1 and he's promoting them into Championship games not PL ones. We do use a lot of the youngsters in the cup games. Lets see how many untried 18 year olds he throws in next season.
And finally, the one major difference we have, is that our structure, from recruitment, to our academy, our first class training facilities, our former FA elite performance director, our development path manager all the way up to match day squad is a structure where no one individual is irreplaceable, its not a house of cards like you have. Where everything rests on whether Bielsa stays or goes. If Potter chose to leave, as sad as that would be, plenty of other young progressive managers could slot in and the whole structure is un-affected. If Bielsa walked the house of cards collapses.
Pep Guardiola was glowing with praise for him after they narrowly beat Swansea sesaon before and last after our encounters,describing him as "one of the best English managers"
If you can be arsed, Whites Bestie's words...... after signing his new 4 year contract (sound like a footballing graveyard where youth have no chance, and you cant make your national team unless under Bielsa??) https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/1745612/connolly-signs-on-for-another-four-years
Sorry if this damages the delusions you keep telling yourself,........He wants to leave, we didnt know what we had on our hands, we carted him off on loan, nobody knew who he was before Bielsa made him, he'll not progress under harry Potters dad, he wants to leave, he's desperate to be Leeds, he's refused 2 contract offers with Brighton...... all of it is made up guff.
Actually it's the illustrious English old division 2.
I genuinely think Leeds is one of the best clubs to be at if things are going well, they do hero worship in good times.... its almost certainly one of the worst and most toxic places to be when things arent going as well.
A few defeats next season and just watch the idiot fans hero to zero comments.
Because he isn’t about the money etc, him & his staff are still taking preseason training as usual. It’s not about the money to Bielsa it’s the all about the football first which is why his contracts take a while to sort because he’s too interested in the football side of things.
That is actually a pretty percipient observation, to be fair.
The hero worship is over the top but it quickly turns to vitriol and toxicity when things go wrong. It is about expectation. The fans expect results that a club which has been so financially mismanaged, and run into the ground has not been able to achieve. So the anger and bitterness has to be vented somewhere
But I think Bielsa's legacy is secure for all that. Realistically it is likely to be downhill form here, he has already reached peak popularity probably, but if he leaves now, or in not too long a time I think he will always be remembered fondly.
He is just that kind of guy, he inspires love. They absolutely worship him at Newell's and he hasn't managed them for decades, and actually spent less time as their manager than he will do at Leeds (if he signs).
Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc
I wouldnt expect you to know much abuot Brighton or its managers. But to compare Hughton and Potter shows you actually know nothing.
You'd be right in saying Hughton was poor in bringing youngsters through and didnt trust the youth, its a big part in why he was fired, our owner has spent a fortune on our cat 1 academy and training facilities and we have a shit load of young and very talented players in the club as you have witnessed with just 1 of them. But to say that Potter is not of the same ilk shows how little you know of the man.
Lets start with why and how Potter was employed. Brighton headhunted Dan Ashworth,a former pro player and the former elite performance director at the FA, knows all the England youngsters at every level, it was he that created "The England DNA" a system that was responsible for tying the whole England youth set ups from junior to younger teams up to U21 etc to senior team and ensuring consistency across coaching and getting promising youngsters to the top of the game. It was Dan Ashworth, who after being headhunted by our club, and is now our technical director, that said to our owner, Graham Potter is the man you want. He has been admired greatly in the halls of the FA in developing and bringing through youngsters into the team. Having taken an unheard of club near the arctic circle, form the Swedish 4th division to champions of its top division and into Europe to then transform a decimated Swansea after a fire sale of its best players by developing and promoting youth, including Daniel James. He was chosen as exactly the right man to bridge the transition of our fantastic academy set up to the first team and hes already proving it was an inspired choice.
"Harry Potters Dad" where Ben White will allegedly "stagnate", has this year promoted 2 of our academy players straight into the PL squad, Ben Whites bestie Aaron Connolly 19 years old, scored 2 on his debut against Spurs and has since gone onto being picked numerous times and starting in the first team of the Republic of Ireland. The other Steven Alzate, born in this country to English/Colombian parents aged 21, has gone onto full caps with Columbia (whom he chose to represent). Its just absurd how your ill informed fans think we don't promote youth or that Ben White wont progress or flourish here. We have managed his youth to PL first team path impeccably. Maybe Bielsa has used more youth players than Potter thus far, he's had 2 yeas versus 1 and he's promoting them into Championship games not PL ones. We do use a lot of the youngsters in the cup games. Lets see how many untried 18 year olds he throws in next season.
And finally, the one major difference we have, is that our structure, from recruitment, to our academy, our first class training facilities, our former FA elite performance director, our development path manager all the way up to match day squad is a structure where no one individual is irreplaceable, its not a house of cards like you have. Where everything rests on whether Bielsa stays or goes. If Potter chose to leave, as sad as that would be, plenty of other young progressive managers could slot in and the whole structure is un-affected. If Bielsa walked the house of cards collapses.
Pep Guardiola was glowing with praise for him after they narrowly beat Swansea sesaon before and last after our encounters,describing him as "one of the best English managers"
If you can be arsed, Whites Bestie's words...... after signing his new 4 year contract (sound like a footballing graveyard where youth have no chance, and you cant make your national team unless under Bielsa??) https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/1745612/connolly-signs-on-for-another-four-years
Sorry if this damages the delusions you keep telling yourself,........He wants to leave, we didnt know what we had on our hands, we carted him off on loan, nobody knew who he was before Bielsa made him, he'll not progress under harry Potters dad, he wants to leave, he's desperate to be Leeds, he's refused 2 contract offers with Brighton...... all of it is made up guff.