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vagabond

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Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc

Just to confirm: you are claiming that Bielsa “made” Ben White?
 


nwgull

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Jul 25, 2003
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They have completed a few signings I believe, but no bonafide first teamers on the face of it.

They are signings who we would consider “development” players. That may not end up being the case, but how it appears.

I would however cut them a little slack In this regard. Most teams haven’t done much recruitment yet (eg, like fellow promoted West Brom).

It’s a nice change that we’re so ahead of the game in our end of season business already.

Fair enough, the situation has made it a very unusual end of season and summer transfer window. However, net first team signings of -1 and a manager who hasn't put pen to paper with 4 weeks until the season starts is hardly grounds for predictions of a top 10 finish, is it?
 




vagabond

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Not sure what Hughton has got to do with anything - he is not our manager.
Graham Potter gives young players a chance so you are barking up the wrong tree mate.

This.

Graham Potter is a man who is unquestionably not afraid to put faith in young players.

Again, it really shows huge ignorance on Leeds fans part to portray GP as some sort of hoof ball dinosaur. One of the most talented young coaches in the game, and says it all that Tony Bloom was willing to extend his contract after a few months. The evolution has been astonishing on and off the pitch.

Leeds fans (here and lurking - I know you’re there...), picture Potter, in his debut season in the Premier League as a manager.

Taking over a poor demoralised tired Hughton team only capable of playing one way (backs to the wall mostly).

Relegation on GPs CV may have been his last chance as a top flight manager, yet he immediately promoted Stephen Alzate (no top flight experience) and Aaron Connolly. Then went out and bought Maupay and Webster. And recently another young player under the radar Tariq Lamptey. And has had no qualms throwing him into the first team.

We then start playing completely different styles per game and even dominated several games with 60-70% possession. I noted even some Villa fans correcting you Leeds lot on this.

But yes by all means, you can pretend that he is a hoof ball Big Sam wannabe dinosaur if that helps play into your deluded fantasies.
 




peterward

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That’s nonsense, Bielsa has completely changed the culture of the club from the layout of the training ground pretty much designing it to way he wants it, has the club built around his whole ethos. If promises are made to him & kept there is no ticking time bomb. He left lazio because what they had promised was a lie. He’s a man of principle & is humble. He paid 2m out of his own money to build newells a training ground, he lives in a flat above a shop. Bielsa prefers his squads to be 18 senior players with the rest from the youth teams. So the u23’s are constantly training with the first team learning his methods which is why we’ve had so many debuts over the past 2 years they know the system inside out & he has full faith in the kids ability to just slot in.

Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc

I wouldnt expect you to know much abuot Brighton or its managers. But to compare Hughton and Potter shows you actually know nothing.

You'd be right in saying Hughton was poor in bringing youngsters through and didnt trust the youth, its a big part in why he was fired, our owner has spent a fortune on our cat 1 academy and training facilities and we have a shit load of young and very talented players in the club as you have witnessed with just 1 of them. But to say that Potter is not of the same ilk shows how little you know of the man.

Lets start with why and how Potter was employed. Brighton headhunted Dan Ashworth,a former pro player and the former elite performance director at the FA, knows all the England youngsters at every level, it was he that created "The England DNA" a system that was responsible for tying the whole England youth set ups from junior to younger teams up to U21 etc to senior team and ensuring consistency across coaching and getting promising youngsters to the top of the game. It was Dan Ashworth, who after being headhunted by our club, and is now our technical director, that said to our owner, Graham Potter is the man you want. He has been admired greatly in the halls of the FA in developing and bringing through youngsters into the team. Having taken an unheard of club near the arctic circle, form the Swedish 4th division to champions of its top division and into Europe to then transform a decimated Swansea after a fire sale of its best players by developing and promoting youth, including Daniel James. He was chosen as exactly the right man to bridge the transition of our fantastic academy set up to the first team and hes already proving it was an inspired choice.

"Harry Potters Dad" where Ben White will allegedly "stagnate", has this year promoted 2 of our academy players straight into the PL squad, Ben Whites bestie Aaron Connolly 19 years old, scored 2 on his debut against Spurs and has since gone onto being picked numerous times and starting in the first team of the Republic of Ireland. The other Steven Alzate, born in this country to English/Colombian parents aged 21, has gone onto full caps with Columbia (whom he chose to represent). Its just absurd how your ill informed fans think we don't promote youth or that Ben White wont progress or flourish here. We have managed his youth to PL first team path impeccably. Maybe Bielsa has used more youth players than Potter thus far, he's had 2 yeas versus 1 and he's promoting them into Championship games not PL ones. We do use a lot of the youngsters in the cup games. Lets see how many untried 18 year olds he throws in next season.

And finally, the one major difference we have, is that our structure, from recruitment, to our academy, our first class training facilities, our former FA elite performance director, our development path manager all the way up to match day squad is a structure where no one individual is irreplaceable, its not a house of cards like you have. Where everything rests on whether Bielsa stays or goes. If Potter chose to leave, as sad as that would be, plenty of other young progressive managers could slot in and the whole structure is un-affected. If Bielsa walked the house of cards collapses.

Pep Guardiola was glowing with praise for him after they narrowly beat Swansea sesaon before and last after our encounters,describing him as "one of the best English managers"

If you can be arsed, Whites Bestie's words...... after signing his new 4 year contract (sound like a footballing graveyard where youth have no chance, and you cant make your national team unless under Bielsa??) https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/1745612/connolly-signs-on-for-another-four-years

Sorry if this damages the delusions you keep telling yourself,........He wants to leave, we didnt know what we had on our hands, we carted him off on loan, nobody knew who he was before Bielsa made him, he'll not progress under harry Potters dad, he wants to leave, he's desperate to be Leeds, he's refused 2 contract offers with Brighton...... all of it is made up guff.
 


vagabond

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Fair enough, the situation has made it a very unusual end of season and summer transfer window. However, net first team signings of -1 and a manager who hasn't put pen to paper with 4 weeks until the season starts is hardly grounds for predictions of a top 10 finish, is it?

Top 10?

No no no, Top 6 mate [emoji1787]
 


dadams2k11

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Jun 24, 2011
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That’s nonsense, Bielsa has completely changed the culture of the club from the layout of the training ground pretty much designing it to way he wants it, has the club built around his whole ethos. If promises are made to him & kept there is no ticking time bomb. He left lazio because what they had promised was a lie. He’s a man of principle & is humble. He paid 2m out of his own money to build newells a training ground, he lives in a flat above a shop. Bielsa prefers his squads to be 18 senior players with the rest from the youth teams. So the u23’s are constantly training with the first team learning his methods which is why we’ve had so many debuts over the past 2 years they know the system inside out & he has full faith in the kids ability to just slot in.

Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc
So what happens when he leaves, as I presume he won't be around for ever?

You will never have a better manager again, and he would never be slated if he just decided to go, say, one day before the season kicks off, correct?

It is what we call "built on a bed of sand".
 




peterward

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So what happens when he leaves, as I presume he won't be around for ever?

You will never have a better manager again, and he would never be slated if he just decided to go, say, one day before the season kicks off, correct?

It is what we call "built on a bed of sand".

I genuinely think Leeds is one of the best clubs to be at if things are going well, they do hero worship in good times.... its almost certainly one of the worst and most toxic places to be when things arent going as well.

A few defeats next season and just watch the idiot fans hero to zero comments.
 


phoenix

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May 18, 2009
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That’s nonsense, Bielsa has completely changed the culture of the club from the layout of the training ground pretty much designing it to way he wants it, has the club built around his whole ethos. If promises are made to him & kept there is no ticking time bomb. He left lazio because what they had promised was a lie. He’s a man of principle & is humble. He paid 2m out of his own money to build newells a training ground, he lives in a flat above a shop. Bielsa prefers his squads to be 18 senior players with the rest from the youth teams. So the u23’s are constantly training with the first team learning his methods which is why we’ve had so many debuts over the past 2 years they know the system inside out & he has full faith in the kids ability to just slot in.

Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc

I like the fella (Bielsa) , definitely a man of principle a rare occurrence these days.

I also think Potter is a man of principle, and has proved he will give youth a chance. I like our manager at Brighton! I'm very excited to see what happens next with Brighton. Bring it on :albion2:
 


Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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I wouldnt expect you to know much abuot Brighton or its managers. But to compare Hughton and Potter shows you actually know nothing.

You'd be right in saying Hughton was poor in bringing youngsters through and didnt trust the youth, its a big part in why he was fired, our owner has spent a fortune on our cat 1 academy and training facilities and we have a shit load of young and very talented players in the club as you have witnessed with just 1 of them. But to say that Potter is not of the same ilk shows how little you know of the man.

Lets start with why and how Potter was employed. Brighton headhunted Dan Ashworth,a former pro player and the former elite performance director at the FA, knows all the England youngsters at every level, it was he that created "The England DNA" a system that was responsible for tying the whole England youth set ups from junior to younger teams up to U21 etc to senior team and ensuring consistency across coaching and getting promising youngsters to the top of the game. It was Dan Ashworth, who after being headhunted by our club, and is now our technical director, that said to our owner, Graham Potter is the man you want. He has been admired greatly in the halls of the FA in developing and bringing through youngsters into the team. Having taken an unheard of club near the arctic circle, form the Swedish 4th division to champions of its top division and into Europe to then transform a decimated Swansea after a fire sale of its best players by developing and promoting youth, including Daniel James. He was chosen as exactly the right man to bridge the transition of our fantastic academy set up to the first team and hes already proving it was an inspired choice.

"Harry Potters Dad" where Ben White will allegedly "stagnate", has this year promoted 2 of our academy players straight into the PL squad, Ben Whites bestie Aaron Connolly 19 years old, scored 2 on his debut against Spurs and has since gone onto being picked numerous times and starting in the first team of the Republic of Ireland. The other Steven Alzate, born in this country to English/Colombian parents aged 21, has gone onto full caps with Columbia (whom he chose to represent). Its just absurd how your ill informed fans think we don't promote youth or that Ben White wont progress or flourish here. We have managed his youth to PL first team path impeccably. Maybe Bielsa has used more youth players than Potter thus far, he's had 2 yeas versus 1 and he's promoting them into Championship games not PL ones. We do use a lot of the youngsters in the cup games. Lets see how many untried 18 year olds he throws in next season.

And finally, the one major difference we have, is that our structure, from recruitment, to our academy, our first class training facilities, our former FA elite performance director, our development path manager all the way up to match day squad is a structure where no one individual is irreplaceable, its not a house of cards like you have. Where everything rests on whether Bielsa stays or goes. If Potter chose to leave, as sad as that would be, plenty of other young progressive managers could slot in and the whole structure is un-affected. If Bielsa walked the house of cards collapses.

Pep Guardiola was glowing with praise for him after they narrowly beat Swansea sesaon before and last after our encounters,describing him as "one of the best English managers"

If you can be arsed, Whites Bestie's words...... after signing his new 4 year contract (sound like a footballing graveyard where youth have no chance, and you cant make your national team unless under Bielsa??) https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/1745612/connolly-signs-on-for-another-four-years

Sorry if this damages the delusions you keep telling yourself,........He wants to leave, we didnt know what we had on our hands, we carted him off on loan, nobody knew who he was before Bielsa made him, he'll not progress under harry Potters dad, he wants to leave, he's desperate to be Leeds, he's refused 2 contract offers with Brighton...... all of it is made up guff.

A great post, you could include signing and playing of Lamptey and also the recall of Mac Allister as further credentials for Potter giving an opportunity to younger players. You can also point to the improvements shown this season by both Webster and Bissouma as the season went on that he can coach a player and make them better.

Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears as far as Leeds fans as concerned, they don't want to listen. I mean why bother finding out if another manager is actually any good when you can immediately dismiss his coaching abilities based on the fact he shares his surname with a fictional wizard.
 
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Cold Gettin Dumb

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Jan 31, 2013
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I wouldnt expect you to know much abuot Brighton or its managers. But to compare Hughton and Potter shows you actually know nothing.

You'd be right in saying Hughton was poor in bringing youngsters through and didnt trust the youth, its a big part in why he was fired, our owner has spent a fortune on our cat 1 academy and training facilities and we have a shit load of young and very talented players in the club as you have witnessed with just 1 of them. But to say that Potter is not of the same ilk shows how little you know of the man.

Lets start with why and how Potter was employed. Brighton headhunted Dan Ashworth,a former pro player and the former elite performance director at the FA, knows all the England youngsters at every level, it was he that created "The England DNA" a system that was responsible for tying the whole England youth set ups from junior to younger teams up to U21 etc to senior team and ensuring consistency across coaching and getting promising youngsters to the top of the game. It was Dan Ashworth, who after being headhunted by our club, and is now our technical director, that said to our owner, Graham Potter is the man you want. He has been admired greatly in the halls of the FA in developing and bringing through youngsters into the team. Having taken an unheard of club near the arctic circle, form the Swedish 4th division to champions of its top division and into Europe to then transform a decimated Swansea after a fire sale of its best players by developing and promoting youth, including Daniel James. He was chosen as exactly the right man to bridge the transition of our fantastic academy set up to the first team and hes already proving it was an inspired choice.

"Harry Potters Dad" where Ben White will allegedly "stagnate", has this year promoted 2 of our academy players straight into the PL squad, Ben Whites bestie Aaron Connolly 19 years old, scored 2 on his debut against Spurs and has since gone onto being picked numerous times and starting in the first team of the Republic of Ireland. The other Steven Alzate, born in this country to English/Colombian parents aged 21, has gone onto full caps with Columbia (whom he chose to represent). Its just absurd how your ill informed fans think we don't promote youth or that Ben White wont progress or flourish here. We have managed his youth to PL first team path impeccably. Maybe Bielsa has used more youth players than Potter thus far, he's had 2 yeas versus 1 and he's promoting them into Championship games not PL ones. We do use a lot of the youngsters in the cup games. Lets see how many untried 18 year olds he throws in next season.

And finally, the one major difference we have, is that our structure, from recruitment, to our academy, our first class training facilities, our former FA elite performance director, our development path manager all the way up to match day squad is a structure where no one individual is irreplaceable, its not a house of cards like you have. Where everything rests on whether Bielsa stays or goes. If Potter chose to leave, as sad as that would be, plenty of other young progressive managers could slot in and the whole structure is un-affected. If Bielsa walked the house of cards collapses.

Pep Guardiola was glowing with praise for him after they narrowly beat Swansea sesaon before and last after our encounters,describing him as "one of the best English managers"

If you can be arsed, Whites Bestie's words...... after signing his new 4 year contract (sound like a footballing graveyard where youth have no chance, and you cant make your national team unless under Bielsa??) https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/1745612/connolly-signs-on-for-another-four-years

Sorry if this damages the delusions you keep telling yourself,........He wants to leave, we didnt know what we had on our hands, we carted him off on loan, nobody knew who he was before Bielsa made him, he'll not progress under harry Potters dad, he wants to leave, he's desperate to be Leeds, he's refused 2 contract offers with Brighton...... all of it is made up guff.

This is perfectly articulated.
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Killer Whale

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Jul 27, 2020
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Actually it's the illustrious English old division 2.

True.

Great trophy though, beautiful and historic and classy which puts the ugly and meretricious looking Premier League one to shame. The whole rebranding of the Championship was rather ridiculous, obviously, the only good thing about it was that they shuffled all the trophies down the divisions. They were devalued of course, but the aesthetic sense remains.

I feel the same about the World Cup, don't you? Jules Rimet was a thing of total beauty, absolutely wonderful, its replacement looked like it came from IKEA. Tacky beyond belief, why they gave that lovely old gold trophy to Brazil to keep for ever is beyond me.

So watching the team parade such a magnificent and gorgeous looking trophy gave one the keenest pleasure. It hasn't happened often often in my lifetime of following the club for me to become blase or jaded about it. That was Bielsa's job, he didn't have any money, and a mid table squad which wasn't much strengthened, and he did what he was asked. Oh. and he has remodelled the club's training facilities from top to bottom and transformed the culture of defeat.

You guys may dismiss it as just a Second Division title, nothing of consequence, but I am not too proud to accept it on our Honours Board. I remember going into administration, I remember the years spent in the Third Division. A trophy like that will do for me right now.

Thanks Marcelo, you're world class in my book.

:cheers:
 


Killer Whale

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I genuinely think Leeds is one of the best clubs to be at if things are going well, they do hero worship in good times.... its almost certainly one of the worst and most toxic places to be when things arent going as well.

A few defeats next season and just watch the idiot fans hero to zero comments.

That is actually a pretty percipient observation, to be fair.

The hero worship is over the top but it quickly turns to vitriol and toxicity when things go wrong. It is about expectation. The fans expect results that a club which has been so financially mismanaged, and run into the ground has not been able to achieve. So the anger and bitterness has to be vented somewhere

But I think Bielsa's legacy is secure for all that. Realistically it is likely to be downhill form here, he has already reached peak popularity probably, but if he leaves now, or in not too long a time I think he will always be remembered fondly.

He is just that kind of guy, he inspires love. They absolutely worship him at Newell's and he hasn't managed them for decades, and actually spent less time as their manager than he will do at Leeds (if he signs).
 






Fran112

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Jun 6, 2011
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Because he isn’t about the money etc, him & his staff are still taking preseason training as usual. It’s not about the money to Bielsa it’s the all about the football first which is why his contracts take a while to sort because he’s too interested in the football side of things.

What staff? They’ve all left [emoji2957]


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vagabond

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May 17, 2019
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Brighton
That is actually a pretty percipient observation, to be fair.

The hero worship is over the top but it quickly turns to vitriol and toxicity when things go wrong. It is about expectation. The fans expect results that a club which has been so financially mismanaged, and run into the ground has not been able to achieve. So the anger and bitterness has to be vented somewhere

But I think Bielsa's legacy is secure for all that. Realistically it is likely to be downhill form here, he has already reached peak popularity probably, but if he leaves now, or in not too long a time I think he will always be remembered fondly.

He is just that kind of guy, he inspires love. They absolutely worship him at Newell's and he hasn't managed them for decades, and actually spent less time as their manager than he will do at Leeds (if he signs).

Seems like you’re more into Bielsa than you are Leeds.
 


Bakero

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Oct 9, 2010
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Now put that against Hughton & potter and ask yourselves would they be brave enough to have at least 10 players under 20 make their debuts while he’s been in charge. They answer is no they wouldn’t that’s why he’s got the reputation he has because it’s brave. Doesn’t always come off like many say “he’s never won anything” but he goes to do it his way making players along the way. I.e Ben white, Benjamin Mandy, Andre Herrera, etc

As has been mentioned, Potter is doing a great job bringing through out youth prospects.

At Swansea he was working with a very young squad too. A quick Google tells me he'd given 4 academy players their debuts by September while an additional 4 made their bow in the cup in the same month. By February, 12 players had made their league debuts plus 2 more in the cup. 11 of them had come through the youth set up.

So yes, I imagine if Potter spent 2 years at a Championship club he would have given at least 10 players under 20 their debuts.
 




BigRed

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May 22, 2020
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I wouldnt expect you to know much abuot Brighton or its managers. But to compare Hughton and Potter shows you actually know nothing.

You'd be right in saying Hughton was poor in bringing youngsters through and didnt trust the youth, its a big part in why he was fired, our owner has spent a fortune on our cat 1 academy and training facilities and we have a shit load of young and very talented players in the club as you have witnessed with just 1 of them. But to say that Potter is not of the same ilk shows how little you know of the man.

Lets start with why and how Potter was employed. Brighton headhunted Dan Ashworth,a former pro player and the former elite performance director at the FA, knows all the England youngsters at every level, it was he that created "The England DNA" a system that was responsible for tying the whole England youth set ups from junior to younger teams up to U21 etc to senior team and ensuring consistency across coaching and getting promising youngsters to the top of the game. It was Dan Ashworth, who after being headhunted by our club, and is now our technical director, that said to our owner, Graham Potter is the man you want. He has been admired greatly in the halls of the FA in developing and bringing through youngsters into the team. Having taken an unheard of club near the arctic circle, form the Swedish 4th division to champions of its top division and into Europe to then transform a decimated Swansea after a fire sale of its best players by developing and promoting youth, including Daniel James. He was chosen as exactly the right man to bridge the transition of our fantastic academy set up to the first team and hes already proving it was an inspired choice.

"Harry Potters Dad" where Ben White will allegedly "stagnate", has this year promoted 2 of our academy players straight into the PL squad, Ben Whites bestie Aaron Connolly 19 years old, scored 2 on his debut against Spurs and has since gone onto being picked numerous times and starting in the first team of the Republic of Ireland. The other Steven Alzate, born in this country to English/Colombian parents aged 21, has gone onto full caps with Columbia (whom he chose to represent). Its just absurd how your ill informed fans think we don't promote youth or that Ben White wont progress or flourish here. We have managed his youth to PL first team path impeccably. Maybe Bielsa has used more youth players than Potter thus far, he's had 2 yeas versus 1 and he's promoting them into Championship games not PL ones. We do use a lot of the youngsters in the cup games. Lets see how many untried 18 year olds he throws in next season.

And finally, the one major difference we have, is that our structure, from recruitment, to our academy, our first class training facilities, our former FA elite performance director, our development path manager all the way up to match day squad is a structure where no one individual is irreplaceable, its not a house of cards like you have. Where everything rests on whether Bielsa stays or goes. If Potter chose to leave, as sad as that would be, plenty of other young progressive managers could slot in and the whole structure is un-affected. If Bielsa walked the house of cards collapses.

Pep Guardiola was glowing with praise for him after they narrowly beat Swansea sesaon before and last after our encounters,describing him as "one of the best English managers"

If you can be arsed, Whites Bestie's words...... after signing his new 4 year contract (sound like a footballing graveyard where youth have no chance, and you cant make your national team unless under Bielsa??) https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/1745612/connolly-signs-on-for-another-four-years

Sorry if this damages the delusions you keep telling yourself,........He wants to leave, we didnt know what we had on our hands, we carted him off on loan, nobody knew who he was before Bielsa made him, he'll not progress under harry Potters dad, he wants to leave, he's desperate to be Leeds, he's refused 2 contract offers with Brighton...... all of it is made up guff.

I did write a big response to this but it had logged me out before I posted & I can’t be bothered to write it all out again so I’ll make it short.

I never compared potter to a hoof ball manager.

I asked you to compare how brave they had been in handing kids debuts. You replied 2. Bielsa by January 2020 so in 18 months had given 12 teenagers their debuts. That’s the comparison. You may say but that’s the championship. But this wasn’t a mid table team just giving them minutes it’s been going for promotion.

You say you have these new facilities but Thorp arch was ahead of everyone for years & has been upgraded to cat 1 recently also. From this academy it has produced numerous premier league players from kewell, woodgate, mcphail, Harte, to Milner, Lennon, Danny rose, delph, Lewis Cook, Charlie Taylor, Jack Clarke & all the new players that are currently getting games under Bielsa. That’s 20 years of producing players that go on to play for the first team. So for all your England DNA, I think Leeds has a pretty good handle on producing young talent

If you don’t think that Bielsa’s impact & philosophy won’t be run through the whole club you’re naive he was brought in to introduce the culture & keep in going for years to come. They’ll be succession plans

As for white I’m not naive to think he may not want to leave Brighton. He’s from the south & his family is all there. He may be holding out for a big contract, he may like what potter has to say. All seriously a possibility.

But don’t be delusional yourself thinking that he won’t want to stay at Brighton & join leeds. His girlfriend is from the north, Leeds is a big city, you may have sent him on these loans but it’s under Bielsa where he’s made his name & may be very appreciative of Bielsa doing so. Bielsa is currently a far bigger name than potter & currently a greater reputation. & I agree you will have some great facilities but Leeds are still the bigger club.

Again it’s perfectly plausible he stays but there is still the chance he doesn’t want to.
 


Mancgull

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Nov 28, 2011
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'It's isn't about the money for Bielsa'...... Maybe not, but isn't he on some ridiculously high salary? Or was last year, as he hasn't signed up for the coming season yet. He has been very close to doing so for at least a week now.
 


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