[Albion] Dan Ashworth

[Postman Pat]

I hope Jahanbakhsh doesn't turn into Lionel Messi if this is the case, because if he does I'm screwed.

Not sure Piglets could handle the size of the humble pie order if that happens.

 

[Icy Gull]

The original post on this thread highlights the best of over reaction and impatience imo.

I get the anger at the previous manager being sacked though

 

[Swansman]

Right, what the actual f*ck is going on here?

First, one NSC member rakes up an old thread to open up a divisive debate yesterday in an attempt to embarrass other members, now [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] is at it. It's bloody juvenile and quite frankly not what is needed.

Members should be allowed to express their opinions without fear of having their thoughts shot down in years to come or hauled out in front of the masses for what certain OPs think is a public shaming.

In years to come it may well be the case that individuals that are lauded by some of these smug OPs fail in their roles. I hope that other posters do not start trawling through old posts to ridicule these posters at that time.

This attitude is not creating a community on NSC. It is doing the very worst, the type of work we have seen done by some of our smug, self-serving politicians and lobbyists over the last few years. Perhaps the moderators should have a quiet word with the said individuals. They know who they are.

I had GB quote some twelve month old comment I made about Rhian Brewster yesterday. Not crying over it. If you express things then surely those things can be revisited again - why not? Does it interfere with some God-approved, natural law, human right of spouting bullshit without ever being held responsible for it?

Mouldy heads playing the blame game accusing individuals for this and that despite never meeting them, despite having no insight and despite having no ****ing clue about what they actually do - like in the case on jumping onto Dan Ashworth here. Is that something that "builds a community"?

Well it is certainly what the modern world is built on - pitchforks, finger pointing, fickle accusations based on nothing but gut feeling. Its the root of many evils in society: bullying, ostracism, the loud opportunist getting the vote rather than the shy thinker. Boris Johnson or Donald Trump could only get elected in a world of borisjohnsons and donaldtrumps - it needs to be reversed, it needs to be changed. Our societies and the people living in them needs patience, understanding and the benefit of a doubt - not this horseshit.

Am I guilty of it sometimes? Yes, no doubt. But I try. I listen. By looking backwards on the things you do and the things you say, you give yourself options: you can learn from it and improve or you can remain the same person, the same part of the problem. It is outrageous to - simply based on the date of his appointment - assume and accuse DA (in this case) of eg ruining "togetherness" just in the same way it is outrageous horseshit to bully or freeze out some kiddo, neighbour or politican because of assumptions made on some t-shirt they're wearing.

These things must be resolved at every level. From the top of the mountain down to the football club down to the schoolyards. Scapegoating, blind blaming, rushed conclusions - it all needs to go. It needs to be confronted at every level. It needs to go because one day I might have kids or you might get grandkids or perhaps we'll just going to sooner or later live in a society built on understanding rather than pitchforks. There is zero gain from me to point out that I was more or less wrong than a number of individuals, some might play it that way but it gives me nothing, but the whole concept.. you know, I have to fight it, confront it and I hope people confront me if I get out of line and get to harsh against individuals based on nothing but brain ghosts.

 

[Hamilton]

I had GB quote some twelve month old comment I made about Rhian Brewster yesterday. Not crying over it. If you express things then surely those things can be revisited again - why not? Does it interfere with some God-approved, natural law, human right of spouting bullshit without ever being held responsible for it?

Mouldy heads playing the blame game accusing individuals for this and that despite never meeting them, despite having no insight and despite having no ****ing clue about what they actually do - like in the case on jumping onto Dan Ashworth here. Is that something that "builds a community"?

Well it is certainly what the modern world is built on - pitchforks, finger pointing, fickle accusations based on nothing but gut feeling. Its the root of many evils in society: bullying, ostracism, the loud opportunist getting the vote rather than the shy thinker. Boris Johnson or Donald Trump could only get elected in a world of borisjohnsons and donaldtrumps - it needs to be reversed, it needs to be changed. Our societies and the people living in them needs patience, understanding and the benefit of a doubt - not this horseshit.

Am I guilty of it sometimes? Yes, no doubt. But I try. I listen. By looking backwards on the things you do and the things you say, you give yourself options: you can learn from it and improve or you can remain the same person, the same part of the problem. It is outrageous to - simply based on the date of his appointment - assume and accuse DA (in this case) of eg ruining "togetherness" just in the same way it is outrageous horseshit to bully or freeze out some kiddo, neighbour or politican because of assumptions made on some t-shirt they're wearing.

These things must be resolved at every level. From the top of the mountain down to the football club down to the schoolyards. Scapegoating, blind blaming, rushed conclusions - it all needs to go. It needs to be confronted at every level. It needs to go because one day I might have kids or you might get grandkids or perhaps we'll just going to sooner or later live in a society built on understanding rather than pitchforks. There is zero gain from me to point out that I was more or less wrong than a number of individuals, some might play it that way but it gives me nothing, but the whole concept.. you know, I have to fight it, confront it and I hope people confront me if I get out of line and get to harsh against individuals based on nothing but brain ghosts.

I agree. Self-reflection is essential. And that is what it should be. Self-reflection.

 

[Badger Boy]

Personally, I think the biggest thing Ashworth is doing is future proofing the squad. If you look at how we've operated in the last few transfer windows you can see how the focus is on the immediate, the short term and the long term. When we were loaning out Ben White to Newport and Peterborough and then Leeds, it was about developing a player who could then come into our squad and team without paying out the £20ish million it cost to bring in Adam Webster. And that cycle has repeated with the loans this season with a view to assembling the squad for next season, and two seasons time, etc.

I am really impressed how the squad has been developed over the last 2 years to be in a position now where if we sell Bissouma, we have his replacement at the club already. Moder will play a bigger role in that position, and then Caicedo is there to come into the team in his own time as well. Inevitably, there will be interest in both players for much higher fees than we paid for them and when their time comes, their replacements will likely already be in the squad ready to play a bigger role.

It seems clear to me today what Ashworth's role is, and what influence he has had. But if you had asked me when the original post was made, I couldn't have spoken about developing the younger players to feed into the first team squad. I couldn't have spoken about signing players to futureproof the squad, because he hadn't been here long enough yet. Had I posted on this thread at the time, I would today be disagreeing with that post because time has shown us his value. The only thing the original posters didn't do was accurately predict the future.

 

[Justice]

I missed this thread the first two times round. What amazes me is how many people want the club to break it's wage structure. Have people not learned what happened when we were last in the top flight and where that got us ? Hereford .... that's where it got us !

Good day out though

 

[Hugo Rune]

I had GB quote some twelve month old comment I made about Rhian Brewster yesterday. Not crying over it. If you express things then surely those things can be revisited again - why not? Does it interfere with some God-approved, natural law, human right of spouting bullshit without ever being held responsible for it?

Mouldy heads playing the blame game accusing individuals for this and that despite never meeting them, despite having no insight and despite having no ****ing clue about what they actually do - like in the case on jumping onto Dan Ashworth here. Is that something that "builds a community"?

Well it is certainly what the modern world is built on - pitchforks, finger pointing, fickle accusations based on nothing but gut feeling. Its the root of many evils in society: bullying, ostracism, the loud opportunist getting the vote rather than the shy thinker. Boris Johnson or Donald Trump could only get elected in a world of borisjohnsons and donaldtrumps - it needs to be reversed, it needs to be changed. Our societies and the people living in them needs patience, understanding and the benefit of a doubt - not this horseshit.

Am I guilty of it sometimes? Yes, no doubt. But I try. I listen. By looking backwards on the things you do and the things you say, you give yourself options: you can learn from it and improve or you can remain the same person, the same part of the problem. It is outrageous to - simply based on the date of his appointment - assume and accuse DA (in this case) of eg ruining "togetherness" just in the same way it is outrageous horseshit to bully or freeze out some kiddo, neighbour or politican because of assumptions made on some t-shirt they're wearing.

These things must be resolved at every level. From the top of the mountain down to the football club down to the schoolyards. Scapegoating, blind blaming, rushed conclusions - it all needs to go. It needs to be confronted at every level. It needs to go because one day I might have kids or you might get grandkids or perhaps we'll just going to sooner or later live in a society built on understanding rather than pitchforks. There is zero gain from me to point out that I was more or less wrong than a number of individuals, some might play it that way but it gives me nothing, but the whole concept.. you know, I have to fight it, confront it and I hope people confront me if I get out of line and get to harsh against individuals based on nothing but brain ghosts.

Agree with all this.

It’s not so much ‘What does Ashworth do?’ or ‘I can’t see that he is that effective’ comments that need to be revisited, it’s the ‘Ashworth out’ comments about a position that is about longterm development, after only a year in the role, that were clearly B/S then and are evidently B/S now.

By doing this, you hope that the small minority on this board will stop calling for the heads of the management because of a poor win ratio in the world’s biggest league, a league we have played in for just 6.6% of our existence, a league where a draw is very good but a win is friggin amazing for us.

 

[vagabond]

Right, what the actual f*ck is going on here?

First, one NSC member rakes up an old thread to open up a divisive debate yesterday in an attempt to embarrass other members, now [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] is at it. It's bloody juvenile and quite frankly not what is needed.

Members should be allowed to express their opinions without fear of having their thoughts shot down in years to come or hauled out in front of the masses for what certain OPs think is a public shaming.

Oh come on. I’ve had my posts bounced many times, so what? And I’m sure if GP ends up being sacked I’ll have plenty of reminders.

Maybe you should think through what opinions you share. Ie Calling for someone’s head to roll after every less than desirable result can look a tad hysterical in the medium to long term.

You’re also entitled to change your mind. I don’t know if it’s a generational thing, but why is it seen as a weakness to admit that you were wrong about something?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

As you should and it's perfectly fine for you to stand by your words or even heaven forfend change your mind.



Anyway a lot of credit appears to be given for potentially not a lot of work.

Welbeck signed AFTER the window slammed shut.
Webster signed days after GPott does rather smack of 'and I really want Webbo as my first signing'.
Trossard has said we wouldn't be here without GPott.
Lallana got 3 years and coaching.

Lamptey and Moder, hopefully Michael K as well will prove what we already know (hope) 'Dan's the man' but as the whole club is designed to be a collaborative effort it seems wrong to highlight one person.

Unless of course you're just being a spiteful vindictive nark, desperately looking for offence in order to be righteous...







...oh wait.

Clearly we're a team effort and contributions to each signing will vary. Have to pick you up on Welbeck though, the idea that he was sitting around hoping for someone to call him all summer is silly, he would have been in demand, would have been negotiations going on with several clubs for ages. It concluded after the window closed because that's how long it took, not because he was an afterthought.

For the rest, who knows. Maybe it was Ashworth who got Trossard to Potter's door, so that he could impress him. A matter of days to reach out, make an offer and then sign Webster doesn't sound like our style. But if all can contribute it bodes well.

 

[vagabond]

By doing this, you hope that the small minority on this board will stop calling for the heads of the management because of a poor win ratio in the world’s biggest league, a league we have played in for just 6.6% of our existence, a league where a draw is very good but a win is friggin amazing for us.

Bingo. Exactly.

That’s the point I was trying to make with my recent thread bounce (and no I won’t do it again for a while). Why can’t people learn to maybe reign in the hysterical overreactions slightly and give people a chance.

You’ve made this point in a far more eloquent way than I did Hugo.

 

[Hamilton]

Oh come on. I’ve had my posts bounced many times, so what? And I’m sure if GP ends up being sacked I’ll have plenty of reminders.

Maybe you should think through what opinions you share. Ie Calling for someone’s head to roll after every less than desirable result can look a tad hysterical in the medium to long term.

You’re also entitled to change your mind. I don’t know if it’s a generational thing, but why is it seen as a weakness to admit that you were wrong about something?

Selective copying and pasting of another member's post is never a good thing. Especially to meeting your own agenda. You appear to have deliberately missed out the line where I stated,

"In years to come it may well be the case that individuals that are lauded by some of these smug OPs fail in their roles. I hope that other posters do not start trawling through old posts to ridicule these posters at that time."

I do not believe admitting you are wrong is a generational thing, just as I don't believe people from younger or older generations would condone the twisting of a message to create a false impression of another member.

Your post is demonstrative of poor behaviour and I hope you reflect upon it.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Selective copying and pasting of another member's post is a good thing. Especially to meet your own agenda.

I believe people from younger or older generations would condone the twisting of a message to create a false impression of another member.

It's uncanny how totally this post matches my agenda.

 

[vagabond]

Selective copying and pasting of another member's post is never a good thing. Especially to meeting your own agenda. You appear to have deliberately missed out the line where I stated,

"In years to come it may well be the case that individuals that are lauded by some of these smug OPs fail in their roles. I hope that other posters do not start trawling through old posts to ridicule these posters at that time."

I do not believe admitting you are wrong is a generational thing, just as I don't believe people from younger or older generations would condone the twisting of a message to create a false impression of another member.

Your post is demonstrative of poor behaviour and I hope you reflect upon it.

[emoji108]

 

[Hamilton]

It's totally my uncanny agenda.

So you are at the heart of all this unrest!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Personally, I think the biggest thing Ashworth is doing is future proofing the squad. If you look at how we've operated in the last few transfer windows you can see how the focus is on the immediate, the short term and the long term. When we were loaning out Ben White to Newport and Peterborough and then Leeds, it was about developing a player who could then come into our squad and team without paying out the £20ish million it cost to bring in Adam Webster. And that cycle has repeated with the loans this season with a view to assembling the squad for next season, and two seasons time, etc.

I am really impressed how the squad has been developed over the last 2 years to be in a position now where if we sell Bissouma, we have his replacement at the club already. Moder will play a bigger role in that position, and then Caicedo is there to come into the team in his own time as well. Inevitably, there will be interest in both players for much higher fees than we paid for them and when their time comes, their replacements will likely already be in the squad ready to play a bigger role.

It seems clear to me today what Ashworth's role is, and what influence he has had. But if you had asked me when the original post was made, I couldn't have spoken about developing the younger players to feed into the first team squad. I couldn't have spoken about signing players to futureproof the squad, because he hadn't been here long enough yet. Had I posted on this thread at the time, I would today be disagreeing with that post because time has shown us his value. The only thing the original posters didn't do was accurately predict the future.

Brilliant post

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Selective copying and pasting of another member's post is never a good thing. Especially to meeting your own agenda. You appear to have deliberately missed out the line where I stated,

"In years to come it may well be the case that individuals that are lauded by some of these smug OPs fail in their roles. I hope that other posters do not start trawling through old posts to ridicule these posters at that time."

I do not believe admitting you are wrong is a generational thing, just as I don't believe people from younger or older generations would condone the twisting of a message to create a false impression of another member.

Your post is demonstrative of poor behaviour and I hope you reflect upon it.

You could always do what I have done. The ludicrous bitch-slapping I got from him the other day came out of the blue and shocked me. A simple apology would have sufficed. But no.... I have every sympathy for folk who wander into no-man's land, driven by who knows what issues, but it diminishes when they refuse to put down the pointed stick they're waving when asked nicely and repeatedly.

I suspect it won't just be ordinary posters like ourselves who will be inviting him to reflect upon his behaviour for much longer.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Good day out though

Are there no depths to which you would sink for a good day out?

I like my good days out to end with clean underpants.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Didnt actually read the thread yesterday when I was chasing for Ashworth threads, but its a hilarious read.

The usual suspects, Dramaboy and so forth, reaching "full moon" conclusions. Not sure if "full moon conclusions" is a concept but it should be... What I mean with it is basically that just because X happens, Y most be true. "It was a full moon yesterday and today I have pain in my knees, therefore the full moon must have caused the pain... and needs to get sacked". And the usual derogatory stuff aimed at TB, calling him naive and crying about his lack of investment. Thatcherian attitudes deeply rooted - money is everything and if a Tony does not have as much as a Sheik, it makes him insufficient.

Anyway, I hope people are willing to give DA bit of cred now. In this thread he gets accused of picking the team, picking the style of playing, ruining "togetherness" (possibly through his star sign interfering with their kundalinis?), causing the 1623-24 famine and the demise of Jesus. But if we have a look at his actual job instead, where he could be presumed to have actual impact, very few signings over the last years (post Ali and Locadia) could be considered failures. In fact, I believe the success rate of Brighton signings are very high compared to most other clubs, with senior and academy signings alike having a nice impact.

You really are a tedious bore. What makes someone who has been here five minutes, will be off again when his pet leaves and hasn't even spent a penny on our club think he can play Captain Hindsight because he's bored?

The comments about disruption at board level were made on various threads by myself and [MENTION=27447]Goldstone1976[/MENTION] because we have both sat on company boards, something you should know since you've been stalking my LinkedIn profile. And they are perfectly valid, The long term aim of getting in a new man and style of play worked a treat but the disruption came within one game of sending us down to The Championship. I appreciate that at the time you were strumming one off to Swansea and couldn't have placed Brighton on a map.

Stop it. Stop it now.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

By doing this, you hope that the small minority on this board will stop calling for the heads of the management because of a poor win ratio in the world’s biggest league, a league we have played in for just 6.6% of our existence, a league where a draw is very good but a win is friggin amazing for us.

Amen to that.

 

[Hamilton]

You could always do what I have done. The ludicrous bitch-slapping I got from him the other day came out of the blue and shocked me. A simple apology would have sufficed. But no.... I have every sympathy for folk who wander into no-man's land, driven by who knows what issues, but it diminishes when they refuse to put down the pointed stick they're waving when asked nicely and repeatedly.

I suspect it won't just be ordinary posters like ourselves who will be inviting him to reflect upon his behaviour for much longer.

In fairness, he's given an ok symbol and I accept that. There's too much bitching going on and I admit I'm involved in it somewhat eh [MENTION=33881]KeegansHairPiece[/MENTION] ? Shall we all drop it now?