I realise that - However, how well someone can fight is not how I measuse someone as a man or as a human being. I have said I am not enamoured by his actions but I won't go any further than that in judging him.
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[News] Craig Mackey , cowardly copper
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I realise that - However, how well someone can fight is not how I measuse someone as a man or as a human being. I have said I am not enamoured by his actions but I won't go any further than that in judging him.
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alfredmizen
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as i asked originally , whats the reasoning behind this post ? you know nothing about what i have or havent done in the past.
alfredmizen
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its not how well someone can fight how i would judge mate , its the willingness.
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On the one hand …
When you join the police there is a legitimate expectation that you will challenge a criminal committing a crime to protect the public, even if that means putting yourself in danger.
On the other hand
These situations come and go in a flash with no time to think. Some of us are instinctively brave people like the officer who died. Most of us aren’t and it’s easy to say from behind a keyboard that you’d have acted differently if you were in that situation.
He’s got some honour to make up. If he publicly admitted to not being brave enough and not setting the correct example and confirmed he’ll no longer refer to himself as Sir because of this incident, I’d regain some respect for him.
When you join the police there is a legitimate expectation that you will challenge a criminal committing a crime to protect the public, even if that means putting yourself in danger.
On the other hand
These situations come and go in a flash with no time to think. Some of us are instinctively brave people like the officer who died. Most of us aren’t and it’s easy to say from behind a keyboard that you’d have acted differently if you were in that situation.
He’s got some honour to make up. If he publicly admitted to not being brave enough and not setting the correct example and confirmed he’ll no longer refer to himself as Sir because of this incident, I’d regain some respect for him.
alfredmizen
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whats bullshit ?
Grombleton
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Basically that. One persons actions would be totally different to another persons and its tough to know unless you're put in that situation.
You better have voted Honey Badger in the WHC then.
AmexRuislip
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I think that the majority of people on here, would understand what you've seen and experienced in your Army days.
Being a trained military person and a civvy, are two different things IMO
Apart from war scenarios, the only experience that civvys get these days, is the atrocities that have happened recently in the UK, where sometimes they do the human thing and run to safety, which is not a bad thing, as they have had no training.
You know that this high ranking copper, wouldn't have been able to do anything, if even if he did have the urge to do so.
I don't see his actions as a cowardly act, just a tad misinformed of what he should have said, or the way he should have said it.
It does take an enormous amount of courage to do anything these days, given the world we are living in.
Hillian1
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The Police being full of Cowards, there are some of course but it certainly isn't full of them.
Our Plod, the ones on the street, run towards danger, unarmed while we the public run the other way.
father_and_son
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This.
He didn't have to go in all king-fu or all-in-wrestler, all he had to do was make a difference... give the assailant an alternative target, distract him, make him hesitate... that may well have been enough to save the other officer's life. All he had to do was get out the car and shout something, he could have done that without getting any closer, endangering the others in the car. Given the whole incident was over in under 90 seconds, Mackey should have had the instinct or at least the training to know that he had to do something!
Most people wouldn't have the balls to step up and physically tackle a knife-weilding nutter, those that do are rightly called heroic. But... some people are trained to react in a certain way, some are expected to step up and some will do what little they can to try to save another person's life. Mackay was the first and certainly was the second but didn't have the balls for the third. Not fit to wear the uniform IMHO.
If he wants to be a politician then he should be a politician, he certainly shouldn't be a Police Officer.
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...Bit like voting who will win the Scotch Premier League?
Hampden Park
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imho he made a very bad choice to remain in his car and lock it. he would have had training to deal with many harrowing situations. he bottled it. others would have gone in and helped their colleagues without a second thought for their own safety. there are those of us on here that have had military training and wouldn't think twice about our fellow 'mates' and would not hesitate to go to their aid. he will have to live with the fact that he did what he did.
alfredmizen
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id disagree with you there tbh given my experiences at football.
alfredmizen
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spot on.
alfredmizen
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I think that the majority of people on here, would understand what you've seen and experienced in your Army days.
Being a trained military person and a civvy, are two different things IMO
Apart from war scenarios, the only experience that civvys get these days, is the atrocities that have happened recently in the UK, where sometimes they do the human thing and run to safety, which is not a bad thing, as they have had no training.
You know that this high ranking copper, wouldn't have been able to do anything, if even if he did have the urge to do so.
I don't see his actions as a cowardly act, just a tad misinformed of what he should have said, or the way he should have said it.
It does take an enormous amount of courage to do anything these days, given the world we are living in.
hes not a civvy though , is he ?
AmexRuislip
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Do you think he may have had orders to stay put, rather than rush in to help?
I do appreciate your opinion, being that I have served in the military myself, but I do think that the training that the military and police go through are entirely different.
I know that certain police get trained for terrorist scenarios, but the normal copper doesn't!
The other people in the car were not OB.
Given that the entire incident was over in 90 seconds, and there were armed protection officers on the scene, no action he had taken would have made a material difference (except to HIS reputation).
AmexRuislip
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Granted they're no civil servants, but military they are not!