"coloured people" Poyet quote....

[hitony]

Are all posters banned after a complaint, no matter what THE time FRAME? I seriously doubt it. Why should we TRUST you?..explanation please, for the record.

Thanks,

You have sent me a PM, I have only just seen it, I will respond to it in due course, I am a bit busy at the moment.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I don't know how well this will work (uploading the image), but this it what had been printed in the metro. Seems pretty fair to me.


Sent by yolk folk

This is what he said, as originally reported:-

"No sé en qué mundo vamos a vivir de ahora en adelante. Comenzarán las acusaciones de unos a otros por cualquier cosa", dijo a Ultimas Noticias Gustavo Poyet desde Inglaterra. El actual técnico del Brighton señaló que Suárez "recién llegó y hay cosas que tiene que aprender cuando está en otro país porque son normales acá, aunque no lo son en otras partes del mundo". Sobre las polémicas del francés Evra, dijo que el galo "tiene antecedentes. No es un santo. Tuvo varios inconvenientes. Es un futbolista conflictivo". Poyet instaló una defensa a favor del salteño: "Expliqué cómo nosotros vivimos y convivimos con la gente de color. Compartimos cualquier tipo de momentos. Jugamos al fútbol. Compartimos su fiesta, la llamadas. Nos encantan los tamboriles. Nacemos, nos criamos y morimos con ellos. Los llamamos "negros" en forma natural. Hasta cariñosa. Es que así fuimos criados con ellos. Estamos integrados. Y no existen problemas por parte de ninguno de los dos. Incluso dije que deben darse cuenta de que hay otro mundo. Sin decir que ellos tienen que cambiar. Simplemente expliqué cómo vivimos los uruguayos o, mejor dicho, los sudamericanos esta situación con la gente de color. Llevo mucho tiempo en Inglaterra y los entiendo. Sé cómo se maneja, pero Luis recién llegó", indicó Poyet. El técnico respaldó a Suárez al conocer anoche la sanción de ocho partidos: “Esto es increíble, es una pena exagerada. ¡Es increíble! Respaldo a Luis a muerte”, concluyó.

The Metro report shuffles his sentences around and misses chunks out.

 

[Woodchip]

I was just showing that the media aren't out to muddy the Brighton name, and the quote was pretty fair (for all those that were saying the press will roast him). Not everyone cares what the manager of a second division team says, and will only skim over what the quote box says.

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[El Presidente]

I was just showing that the media aren't out to muddy the Brighton name, and the quote was pretty fair (for all those that were saying the press will roast him). Not everyone cares what the manager of a second division team says, and will only skim over what the quote box says.

Sent by yolk folk

The press couldn't give a shit about the Brighton name, it is just something to fill space today, tomorrow it will be something else.

 

[Box of Frogs]

As this whole thread seems to be pretty silly in deciding what you can or cannot call our Afro-Caribbean friends, can I add my (slightly jokey) two pennuth and ask why they are called black or coloured when they are in fact brown?!?!

Apologies to anyone offended by any of the terms used in this post!

 

[Guinness Boy]

My step-dad is black the one thing guaranteed to wind him up is liberal white people deciding what terms are and are not acceptable. Also to note that casual racism is pretty much non-existent here compared to say, Australia, where half the white people I met called soccer 'wog-ball'.

Finally I think there is a great cultural difference between a mention of colour in a spat between a Uruguayan and a Frenchman and a use of colour sandwiched between 2 swear words in an exchange involving 2 Englishmen (Terry and Ferdinand).

 

[NMH]

As this whole thread seems to be pretty silly in deciding what you can or cannot call our Afro-Caribbean friends, can I add my (slightly jokey) two pennuth and ask why they are called black or coloured when they are in fact brown?!?!

Apologies to anyone offended by any of the terms used in this post!

Now look here, pinky.......

But let's imagine the conversation was perhaps.....NOT an admiration of skin hue; "I say Pat, I couldn't help but admire your darker tincture. I remain in respect of the heritage that results in such a tanned appearance" "why thankyou Luis, for noticing"

Recalling Zinadine Zidane's debateable faux pas in the World Cup Final - would anyone compare the end of an auspicious career, presenting his profession at the highest level in the ultimate showcase sporting event, against the anger at having his Mother mocked personally but indiscretely?
A cooler head might have waited until the end of the match, then taken the issue up, instead of rendering the apex of entertainment into a fait accompli.
Surely Zidane had heard personal comments in a football match before?

 

[Brovion]

My step-dad is black the one thing guaranteed to wind him up is liberal white people deciding what terms are and are not acceptable. ...

That does seem to be a popular response (Hungry Joe mentioned something similar) and I know Diane Abbott has similar views. It's not surprising as it is after all a form of patronising censorship.

 

[Billy the Fish]

My step-dad is black the one thing guaranteed to wind him up is liberal white people deciding what terms are and are not acceptable. Also to note that casual racism is pretty much non-existent here compared to say, Australia, where half the white people I met called soccer 'wog-ball'.

A mate in Australia txt me this week to say he was working at a school and he saw 3 kids playing football. One of them was black and his nickname was "vegemite"

Wog is what Austrailians call the Greeks.

 

[NMH]

My step-dad is black the one thing guaranteed to wind him up is liberal white people deciding what terms are and are not acceptable. Also to note that casual racism is pretty much non-existent here compared to say, Australia, where half the white people I met called soccer 'wog-ball'.

Finally I think there is a great cultural difference between a mention of colour in a spat between a Uruguayan and a Frenchman and a use of colour sandwiched between 2 swear words in an exchange involving 2 Englishmen (Terry and Ferdinand).

Your step dad doesn't represent all black people, I hope you know that.
Neither does his presence or commentary stand to exemplify the correct responses to questions of race.
No more than, say, the actor who played foil to Alf Garnett.
(Don Warrington on Rising Damp had a role in ridiculing Leonard Rossitor's Rigsby on let's say, a raised level of humour).

If a spectator at a football match makes something generally deemed a racially sensitive remark out loud, then it can be down to a steward to enforce an ejection - would you or your step-dad call it "a white liberal decision"?

That still has little to do with the thread though, because it WAS brought before a committee BY a man of colour who did indeed decide HE was affronted, not that he was white and liberal! Evra made the initial judgment and issue, so it could have been approached by Suarez with an apology i.e. "oh my word, I had certainly not meant to be perceived as racially abusing you Mr Evra, if you have felt this was the case then I apologize but it was not intended".

Instead, Suarez has attempted to pass it off as 'how we address black people', and Gus is putting his backing into that.

When it was deemed insensitive to lable physically impaired people as "invalids", how quickly did you, the reader, get with the program?
Who might have instigated the consideration that it was not a correct terminology, do you believe it is too 'p/c' and should not have been even considered?

 

[matthew]

Calling someone 'coloured' has been considered offensive since the 1970's as it implies people can be divided into two categories. It was also used by white colonialists. It is offensive and Poyet should apologies.

 

[looney]

Bagman? do explain, can't say i have heard that expression well apart from in Golf (caddie)

A Mafia term for someone who runs errands for the mob.

 

[User removed 4]

....and we are all coloured ...I am coloured white. Chris ewbank is coloured black and ding Jung Wei is coloured yellowish.

Italians are coloured swarthy

French are coloured puce

the french also have a yellow streak running down their back !

 

[Acker79]

Well if it is racist Hansen better watch out, as he used the term coloured twice on MOTD just now

And now he's facing trouble for it in the morning press (the one I read mostly quoted twitter responses)

 

[User removed 4]

That does seem to be a popular response (Hungry Joe mentioned something similar) and I know Diane Abbott has similar views. It's not surprising as it is after all a form of patronising censorship.

The very same Diane Abbott who I remember complaining that " "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" in her local hospital in east London were unsuitable as nurses because they had "never met a black person before". If a white MP had said the same in reverse , she would have been hounded out of parliament.

 

[tedebear]

This is ridiculous it is just a word. Coloured or black.

So in my view what makes it racist is how it is said.

You f**king coloured (or black) tosser = Rasict
The coloured (or black) man that lives over the road = not racist

Its just my view but generally it is the intent with which the word it used which makes it racist. I think what Gus has said is similar to my second scenario, ie in other countries the word is commonly used and is not seen as racist, and that here in the UK we are much more politically correct here and so shy away from using it "just in case" someone gets offended, and that some players coming here are going to take a while to learn that!

 

[tedebear]

A mate in Australia txt me this week to say he was working at a school and he saw 3 kids playing football. One of them was black and his nickname was "vegemite"

Wog is what Austrailians call the Greeks.

Do we? I don't...

 

[Guinness Boy]

Your step dad doesn't represent all black people, I hope you know that.

Of course I do you idiot. But unless you're black yourself you don't represent any of them.

When it was deemed insensitive to lable physically impaired people as "invalids", how quickly did you, the reader, get with the program?
Who might have instigated the consideration that it was not a correct terminology, do you believe it is too 'p/c' and should not have been even considered?

A different point and one that depends on the point of view of the person on the end of it. Ricky Gervais managed to offend many disabled people by using the word 'mong' on twitter but one of his biggest defenders is Mrs Nicky Clarke who's a disability rights campaigner. Ian Dury was so offended by the do-gooder Year of the Disabled he wrote 'Spasticus Autisticus'. African-Americans have taken the 'n' word and turned it in to a term of friendship and rap lyrics. I think how you treat people overall is far more important than if you're up to date with what liberal society dictates you can and can't say.

 

[Sheebo]

Here's what i've always said / thought. We should just use the 'chocolate scale' when describing someones skin colour:

Milky Bar- Very white - Andy Murray for ex
Caramac - Latino / tanned / bordering on Asian - Wes Brown for ex
Dairy Milk- Standard black person - Kelly Holmes for ex
Bournville - Particularly black person - Bacary Sagna for ex

That was nobodies being offensive either accidentally or deliberately

Please note you must view this as a 'scale' too. Most of us will prob be somewhere between Milky Bar and Caramac I'd imagine.

 

[British Bulldog]

This is ridiculous it is just a word. Coloured or black.

So in my view what makes it racist is how it is said.

You f**king coloured (or black) tosser = Rasict
The coloured (or black) man that lives over the road = not racist

Its just my view but generally it is the intent with which the word it used which makes it racist. I think what Gus has said is similar to my second scenario, ie in other countries the word is commonly used and is not seen as racist, and that here in the UK we are much more politically correct here and so shy away from using it "just in case" someone gets offended, and that some players coming here are going to take a while to learn that!

Nail on the head, It's not allways whats said but the way it's said that counts and that covers a lot of so called descrimination not just race.