"coloured people" Poyet quote....

[Seasider78]

The term 'racism' is banded about far too easily these days. Racism is more about actions than words and terminology.

 

[Triggaaar]

But you said 'Got any more detail on that? I know people did it, but that doesn't mean it was right. '

Yes I said that, you then made another post, and I said 'ok i'll take you word for it', meaning 'fair enough', and then you had a rant.

The insinuation was that I was wrong to call people coloured. That I was a racist.

Oh no no no, I did no such thing. What I do allege is that racism was inherent in our society some years ago, and that those who decided what terms to use did not necessarily think of all races as equal. And if they changed from saying 'coloured' to 'black' I would hope that black people were involved in that discussion, so I assume that some black people didn't like the term 'coloured' (that's why I said perhaps they asked a black person).

edit to add:
It's my personal view that coloured doesn't sound right, as if we are white and without colour, and then there are these mongrels that are a mix of colours. Also, the time when we referred to black people as coloured is a time when racism was institutionalised. So while I don't think it was ever right to call someone coloured, I do not suggest that individuals (such as yourself) using the term were in the wrong, as they were just doing what the nation did.

 

[brightn'ove]

it is important to note that the interview posted on the mirror website, is translated from spanish (gus was interviewed in a Uruguayan newspapaer..). So there may be a case of poor translation.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Racism all one way , take the movie " White men can't jump" there would have been outrage if they had a film title called" black men can't swim ". That's the end of my argument .

The title is tongue in cheek. After all, the movie is about a white basketball player called Billy who takes advantage of some black players' false assumption that white players cannot play the game as well. Hardly a ringing endorsement of anti-white racism...

 

[Neil]

What is the right termanology for someone who originates from one of our colonial countries?

 

[severnside gull]

I have never seen so much absolute bollocks in all my days - go back to your dictionaries guys - neither coloured or half caste is an offensive term per se but like any phrase relating to ethnicity can be viewed, used and abused by anyone depending on their perspective and (dare one say it) politics . Some black people like to be called black but others determine it is racist - so do we avoid all reference to colour as a component of ethnicity? Do we f***! Some people need to climb down from the hidey hole up their own arses and realise that racism is not just about using certain words but is entirely about avoiding using words or actions to discriminate. Had to laugh today when visiting Birmingham, home of the winter festival (let's not call it christmas in case we offend anyone!) I passed a Sikh temple with a mahoosive banner wishing everyone a Merry Christmas. If we all practised treating everyone as equals the fear of using the wrong words in whatever context would disappear. And perhaps I should mention that my first wife was asian so one of my kids is "half caste " (I believe the technical term for my grandaugher is "quadroon") while I also have afro-caribbean in-laws. They all have more sense than to worry about a few words which for the very large part are fairly ambivalent (very few words are pointedly racially insulting in themselves and those are pretty readily identifiable and avoided by all but the incorrigible few) - it's how they are used which is sometimes an issue.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

And if they changed from saying 'coloured' to 'black' I would hope that black people were involved in that discussion, so I assume that some black people didn't like the term 'coloured' (that's why I said perhaps they asked a black person).

Some non pink people objected to the word 'black' and others objected to the word 'coloured' Pink people became confused about what to use.

It's my personal view that coloured doesn't sound right, as if we are white and without colour, and then there are these mongrels that are a mix of colours.

Mongrels?? Mongrels are dogs. Nothing to do with humans!! Who are you calling mongrels??

Also, the time when we referred to black people as coloured is a time when racism was institutionalised.

So racism was not institutionalised before we called non pink persons coloured? When they were called black?

So while I don't think it was ever right to call someone coloured, I do not suggest that individuals (such as yourself) using the term were in the wrong, as they were just doing what the nation did.

Ha ha! You are more confused than me!! But i forgive cos you have a good heart....

 

[Triggaaar]

It's my personal view that coloured doesn't sound right, as if we are white and without colour, and then there are these mongrels that are a mix of colours.

Mongrels?? Mongrels are dogs. Nothing to do with humans!! Who are you calling mongrels??

I know what a mongrel is, and I am not calling anyone a mongrel. I am explaining why I don't like the term coloured, because it suggests white people are pure while coloured people are a mix of things, like mongrels.

So racism was not institutionalised before we called non pink persons coloured? When they were called black?

I think racism was the norm regardless of what we were all called, up until the last couple of decades.

Ha ha! You are more confused than me!! But i forgive cos you have a good heart....

Oh god, first you call me a knob and an arrogant twat, and now you patronise me. I'm not sure which I prefer.

 

[Dave the OAP]

In south Africa when we were there, blacks were the indigenous Africans, coloureds were the half and half, ie white and black parents, there was also the cape coloureds, who were basically Asians.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

I know what a mongrel is, and I am not calling anyone a mongrel. I am explaining why I don't like the term coloured, because it suggests white people are pure while coloured people are a mix of things, like mongrels.

ROFLOL!!!!!!! Really.... I am on the floor. Quote of the year!!

 

[Dave the OAP]

....and we are all coloured ...I am coloured white. Chris ewbank is coloured black and ding Jung Wei is coloured yellowish.

Italians are coloured swarthy

French are coloured puce

 

[Dave the OAP]

Scots are coloured blue

 

[tedebear]

I better complain to the school asking for Arthur to bring in some coloured paper when they go back after half term break. Its obvioulsy racist

 

[upthealbion1970]

I better complain to the school asking for Arthur to bring in some coloured paper when they go back after half term break. Its obvioulsy racist

Where do colouring pencils and colouring in books fit in........

 

[Dave the OAP]

I better complain to the school asking for Arthur to bring in some coloured paper when they go back after half term break. Its obvioulsy racist

...and Aussies are canary yellow......" canary yellow...that's Australian gold my friend and don't you f***ing forget it" c/o billy Birmingham, the twelfth man.....bill lawrie to tony Grieg.

 

[BadFish]

What do the PC brigade make of Australia referring to immigrants as boat people?

Sent by yolk folk

They don't. They refer to refugees that came here by boat as boat people. They being the media, most people with half a brain simply refer to them as refugees.

 

[NMH]

Skin pigment exists, we don't need to be told to "get over" that.
What also exists, is racial disrespect and language based on pigment and heritage.

IF a person perceives they are being insulted for their racial profile, then they will express that.

I STRONGLY suspect that Patrick Evra did NOT hold his feelings in, and keep them secret until after the match so that he could pin a false accusation on a fellow football player.

Come to the table Suarez and Poyet and anyone else who doesn't get this - and be real about facing DOWN racial demeaning stereotyping, or insulting.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

I STRONGLY suspect that Patrick Evra did NOT hold his feelings in, and keep them secret until after the match so that he could pin a false accusation on a fellow football player.

Maybe..maybe not. Suspicions do not equate to facts. However strongly they are held. i.e you know f*** all.

 

[BadFish]

language is always evolving and progressing.

30 or 40 years ago it was okay to use the word coloured. At some point it was decided by people (probably of all races) that actually this word had derogatory connotations and was used by racist individuals and groups. A different word is now used that does not have the same connotations.

Confusing? Not really is it? If you can follow playschool I reckon you can keep up and if not you've had 30 years to get used to it.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

I object to people calling me white. I am not white I am pink. And I totally reject those that say I have a red nose. You offend me and you are a bunch of racial bigots.