[Albion] Club cancelling ST due to non-attendance

[drew]

I think where the club ( and they are not alone) encourages sporting tourists then the term “ customer” is valid.

i am very surprised the club are spending money on putting in extra seats above the NS when we very rarely sell out any games. I can understand it if they have to make some of them 1901 to appease those they are kicking out of their “ seats for life”. What really concerns Me is how far the shelf will stick out impacting the views of those of us near the back …a la QPR etc.

i assume the plans and dimensions are up on the tinterweb somewhere

Where does our club encourage sporting tourists?

As for developments, why not do a bit of research before making stupid comments. I'll give you a clue, there is info and some images on the club website!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Are you ok? I don't think it's healthy for people to agree with what the club do every single time, Paul Barber for the fact he is very good at his job, its poor at admitting when he got something wrong. I think people should always be ready to question Bloom and Barber when they think they've got something wrong, otherwise we just end up having thousands of Yes men, who can never see anything wrong. I think there are aspects of what has changed since the Amex/PL which have changed for the worse.

This. If I were to buy a season ticket for the trains or a discounted pass for the cinema, would I expect to be badgered by the issuing company if I was deemed not to be using it enough? Of course not. It's complete profit-driven nonsense. You've secured my money upfront, now **** off and leave me alone til renewal time

 

[drew]

Everything changed when Barber joined the club and his opening gambit was to refer to supporters / fans as "customers". That is his mindset and it isn't ever going to change.

Utter garbage. The statement he made was that when they consider things, they will look at it as if fans were customers and by that he clarified that he meant that you do things on the basis that the fan has a choice and, if you don't give them a good matchday experience then they will go elsewhere. We, and I'm pretty sure PB and TB, know that fans don't really have a choice. However that philosophy has meant we have padded seats, we have more leg room than pretty much every other EPL club, we get a reasonable choice of food, we can drink after the game and have a good choice of drinks available.

If you're old enough, you will remember when fans were treated like animals, fenced in, kettled from train to ground and back again (still happens at Palace).

 

[drew]

Really, why is there empty seats around where we are every game? Palace wasn’t sold out was it? Brentford had a host of empty seats around the stadium.

if you are arguing that people buy tickets and don’t attend, then ok, but there Have been games where tickets have been left unsold, even when put in the exchange…I had two of these personally.

I'm guessing you're quite new to all this.

 

[jackalbion]

I don't agree with everything the club do and have raised some issues with PB. I also don't see any evidence that anyone on this thread or, for that matter any other thread, have stated they blindly agree with every single thing the club do. Unfortunately though, we have some neanderthals who, when something isn't aligned to their choices, start acting like our club is more akin to City or Spurs and the like.

I just don't think its drivel and bollocks, I think its a valid point, I do think there is a little bit of an echo chamber on here at times, saying look where we are, we have to do things like this. I like our club because we do things differently, we don't always act like a premier league corporate machine (free travel as an example), and this idea that we shouldn't act like this because we haven't got 'Dick Tight', or don't get 3/4000 anymore, is strange. I think a look over at a lot of aspects of German football and see it can be done at other clubs. I think you only need to look at spurs and there (at least 2 seasons ago) ticket sharing policy, and you can see there is better ways of getting the stadium filled.

 

[drew]

What are you saying? The club can do no wrong because we are in the PL played in the Europa league once and purchase expensive football players?

 

[jackalbion]

This. If I were to buy a season ticket for the trains or a discounted pass for the cinema, would I expect to be badgered by the issuing company if I was deemed not to be using it enough? Of course not. It's complete profit-driven nonsense. You've secured my money upfront, now **** off and leave me alone til renewal time

Which has reminded me to check something now the Odeon has shut down for a bit.

 

[Wozza]

I think you only need to look at spurs and there (at least 2 seasons ago) ticket sharing policy, and you can see there is better ways of getting the stadium filled.

Is that the Spurs where season tickets are £1000+?

The one no longer offering OAP concessions?

The one with an estimated 3 million fans in the UK alone?

That one?

 

[Wozza]

This. If I were to buy a season ticket for the trains or a discounted pass for the cinema, would I expect to be badgered by the issuing company if I was deemed not to be using it enough? Of course not

I think cinemas would have a very different model if they were only open 20 nights a year...

 

[jackalbion]

Is that the Spurs where season tickets are £1000+?

The one no longer offering OAP concessions?

The one with an estimated 3 million fans in the UK alone?

That one?

Is that what I mentioned or did I mention the ticket sharing policy? There are aspects of some schemes that can be used to make our own one better, but thank you for a load of whataboutery that had nothing to do with my post.

 

[Talby]

Make your mind up.

Well, if the response isn’t littered with insults then it just becomes an argument. If you think my responses are insulting then I can’t help you.

Telling someone they’re ignorant and rude isn’t insulting if it’s the truth.

 

[Talby]

Are you ok? I don't think it's healthy for people to agree with what the club do every single time, Paul Barber for the fact he is very good at his job, its poor at admitting when he got something wrong. I think people should always be ready to question Bloom and Barber when they think they've got something wrong, otherwise we just end up having thousands of Yes men, who can never see anything wrong. I think there are aspects of what has changed since the Amex/PL which have changed for the worse.

That’s why people like you and I would not be allowed on the FAB.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I think cinemas would have a very different model if they were only open 20 nights a year...

Nope. They'd have your ST money upfront to provide for some in advance capital expenditure. Which is why you get the discount. Beyond that, they don't give the tiniest shit whether you attend or don't attend the stuff you paid upfront for

 

[jackalbion]

That’s why people like you and I would not be allowed on the FAB.

While I've got respect for those involved I'm yet to be convinced by their impact. The strange debate around 'Stop Exploiting Loyalty' Campaign was quite odd. Its 100% something we should get behind, and just because its not happened here yet, doesn't mean it won't.

 

[sparkie]

This. If I were to buy a season ticket for the trains or a discounted pass for the cinema, would I expect to be badgered by the issuing company if I was deemed not to be using it enough? Of course not. It's complete profit-driven nonsense. You've secured my money upfront, now **** off and leave me alone til renewal time

Good point.

 

[Wozza]

Nope. They'd have your ST money upfront to provide for some in advance capital expenditure. Which is why you get the discount. Beyond that, they don't give the tiniest shit whether you attend or don't attend the stuff you paid upfront for

The point is, the cinema wouldn’t offer the discount if it was open 20 nights a year.

Maybe the Albion should put up ST prices and relax rules if that’s what everyone wants?

(Neither train season tickets or cinema annual passes can be legitimately passed on btw.)

 

[Wozza]

Is that what I mentioned or did I mention the ticket sharing policy? There are aspects of some schemes that can be used to make our own one better, but thank you for a load of whataboutery that had nothing to do with my post.

I need to spell it out?

Spurs have more-lax ST sharing rules because they charge more and have HUGE demand.

 

[jackalbion]

I need to spell it out?

Spurs have more-lax ST sharing rules because they charge more and have HUGE demand.

Yeah and read what I said, I want the stadium filled up more, because all our games are sold out, yet there are empty seats, the price point is irrelevant we charge £50 as the cheapest for a CAT A fixture. Being able to pass on tickets more easily and effectively (like in a spurs situation) is an aspect in which we can move it across to our club. The concession has nothing to do with it, but of course our ticket system is perfect and everyone else is causing the problem by misusing it. Brighton and Hove Albion CAN DO NO WRONG!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The point is, the cinema wouldn’t offer the discount if it was open 20 nights a year.

Maybe the Albion should put up ST prices and relax rules if that’s what everyone wants?

(Neither train season tickets or cinema annual passes can be legitimately passed on btw.)

Withdean-era Albion relied majorly on STH upfront payments to buy bargain basement players hand-to-mouth to stay afloat. Current Albion are part of the marvellous money machine that is the EPL. Best pray that remains the case forever. Else the club may at some point have to return cap-in-hand to the pre-Amex fans. Which would imho be no bad thing. Club might even be forced to reinstate the 'Community' aspect

 

[Springal]

Withdean-era Albion relied majorly on STH upfront payments to buy bargain basement players hand-to-mouth to stay afloat. Current Albion are part of the marvellous money machine that is the EPL. Best pray that remains the case forever. Else the club may at some point have to return cap-in-hand to the pre-Amex fans. Which would imho be no bad thing. Club might even be forced to reinstate the 'Community' aspect

Not sure I can see Tony Bloom going down the Dick Tight route can you