Ched Evans

[hans kraay fan club]

This:

Even if she wasn't quite pissed enough not to consent properly, to me he would still be a scumbag who read a text from a mate saying 'I've got a bird' as an invitation to a threesome/porno shoot, lied his way into a hotel room, fked a drunk teenage girl he didn't know and sneaked out the fire exit leaving her to wake up in her own piss several hours later.

It is Evans that chose to play this out in the court of public opinion with his pernicious website. With his refusal to condemn his supporters for revealing this girls identity five times and forcing her to lead a life on the run. With his refusal to condemn his supporters for bombarding Jessica Ennis-Hill with rape threats. His silence is a tacit approval

Hoisted on his own petard.

Wise words.

 

[The Wizard]

How has Evans been convicted of rape if the girl does not even actually remember what happened on the night in question? She didn't remember initially when she reported her bag being stolen to the police?

'The complainant had no recollection of anything which took place after 3am. That extended to the fact that she and McDonald entered the hotel at 4.15am. The night porter described her as "extremely drunk". That reinforced the Crown's case based on the evidence of witnesses and the CCTV footage before she had arrived at the hotel. While en route to the room the porter heard her say to McDonald "You're not going to leave me, are you?" They entered a bedroom in which various sexual acts took place and eventually they had sexual intercourse.'
'The expert called by the defence calculated that the complainant's likely blood-alcohol level at about 4am would have approximated to something like 2½ times the legal driving limit. He gave evidence that she would have suffered from slurred speech and unsteadiness of gait, but he would not have expected any memory loss. It was an essential part of his expert evidence that there were significant doubts about the claim made by the complainant that she had suffered a memory loss. In effect, it was suggested that her assertion was false.

This was a classic case for decision by the jury. Having deliberated following the judge's directions on the law and his summing up of the evidence, they reached the verdicts we have indicated: not guilty in the case of McDonald; guilty in the case of the applicant.'

I find it hard to understand how the jury come to the decision of guilty, besides this I wonder how many people who are signing these god damn petitions actually know he didn't just drag a drunken girl up a dark ally and rape her. There is more to this case than a normal rape case, what Evans did that night was damn right stupid and wrong but to be labelled a rapist for the rest of your life based on the evidence I can see is pretty sketchy

 

[spring hall convert]

I find it hard to understand how the jury come to the decision of guilty, besides this I wonder how many people who are signing these god damn petitions actually know he didn't just drag a drunken girl up a dark ally and rape her.

I bet the victim feels extremely lucky she wasn't raped "properly."

Yuck.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Excellent to see those football clubs just GAGGING to sign the convicted rapist being forced to confront their lack of morals and then being forced to back down.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Why, whenever there is a headline about David Beckham, do they not refer to the sex texts to Rebecca Loos? "Married Cheat" David Beckham...?

I am sure they did when it first happened.

 

[Bold Seagull]

How has Evans been convicted of rape if the girl does not even actually remember what happened on the night in question? She didn't remember initially when she reported her bag being stolen to the police?

'The complainant had no recollection of anything which took place after 3am. That extended to the fact that she and McDonald entered the hotel at 4.15am. The night porter described her as "extremely drunk". That reinforced the Crown's case based on the evidence of witnesses and the CCTV footage before she had arrived at the hotel. While en route to the room the porter heard her say to McDonald "You're not going to leave me, are you?" They entered a bedroom in which various sexual acts took place and eventually they had sexual intercourse.'
'The expert called by the defence calculated that the complainant's likely blood-alcohol level at about 4am would have approximated to something like 2½ times the legal driving limit. He gave evidence that she would have suffered from slurred speech and unsteadiness of gait, but he would not have expected any memory loss. It was an essential part of his expert evidence that there were significant doubts about the claim made by the complainant that she had suffered a memory loss. In effect, it was suggested that her assertion was false.

This was a classic case for decision by the jury. Having deliberated following the judge's directions on the law and his summing up of the evidence, they reached the verdicts we have indicated: not guilty in the case of McDonald; guilty in the case of the applicant.'

I find it hard to understand how the jury come to the decision of guilty, besides this I wonder how many people who are signing these god damn petitions actually know he didn't just drag a drunken girl up a dark ally and rape her. There is more to this case than a normal rape case, what Evans did that night was damn right stupid and wrong but to be labelled a rapist for the rest of your life based on the evidence I can see is pretty sketchy

So basically if you have sex with someone and they don't struggle it's fine, especially if they don't remember?

Rape is rape. There are violent rapes, there are drugged rapes, there are rapes where the victim is unable to consent. They are all rape.

 

[The Wizard]

I bet the victim feels extremely lucky she wasn't raped "properly."

Yuck.

Where on earth did I say that? Talk about putting words in my mouth. Rape is an abhorrent crime, one of the worst crimes that can be commited, I'm simply questioning how a guilty, beyond reasonable doubt verdict was reached when the woman in question cannot remember any of the events.

So basically if you have sex with someone and they don't struggle it's fine, especially if they don't remember?

Rape is rape. There are violent rapes, there are drugged rapes, there are rapes where the victim is unable to consent. They are all rape.

Could you please direct me to where the girl in question has said she didn't consent? All I'm trying to comprehend is how he can be convicted when she doesn't remember anything beyond any doubt? I'm not a lawyer but can you, beyond reasonable doubt assure me Ched Evans is a rapist and should be labelled as such for the rest of his life? I can't, that's why I'm questioning it, based on the evidence we know I find it hard to understand the jurors decision, there is things on both sides of this case that just do not add up.

There's an in depth report on the case here thats quite interesting if it hasn't already been posted.
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

 

[spring hall convert]

Where on earth did I say that? Talk about putting words in my mouth. Rape is an abhorrent crime, one of the worst crimes that can be commited, I'm simply questioning how a guilty, beyond reasonable doubt verdict was reached when the woman in question cannot remember any of the events.

In the language you use here

"I wonder how many people who are signing these god damn petitions actually know he didn't just drag a drunken girl up a dark ally and rape her."

Like there's a beaufort-esque rape scale.

 

[spring hall convert]

This news about a sponsor threatening to pull out at Oldham is hilarious. Surely if they had any intention of signing him, they would have consulted the sponsors in advance and known their position?

Oldham :"So, we're going to sign an unrepentant convicted rapist, who may or may not be given leave to appeal, who seems to think it's ok for people to threaten Jessica Ennis-Hill with rape because we need a few goals"

Mothercare: "Yeah, crack on guys, we have no problem associating our brand with that. As long as he scores a few."

 

[Hillian1]

This news about a sponsor threatening to pull out at Oldham is hilarious. Surely if they had any intention of signing him, they would have consulted the sponsors in advance and known their position?

Oldham :"So, we're going to sign an unrepentant convicted rapist, who may or may not be given leave to appeal, who seems to think it's ok for people to threaten Jessica Ennis-Hill with rape because we need a few goals"

Mothercare: "Yeah, crack on guys, we have no problem associating our brand with that. As long as he scores a few."

You forgot the bit about his website, and the bit about his "mates" outing the girls identity 3 times forcing her to move and change her name over and over ruining her life.

 

[glasfryn]

if he were a bricklayer,plumber,or a painter would we have all this discussion, I doubt it and if he were in any of these trades he would be able to work.
simply because we would not know his past, but then of coarse all footballers are like this are they not.
I bet there are many in many occupations getting very shifty at the response to this man trying to continue in his occupation.
some in very high places.

 

[drew]

You can rewrite history all you want but a court decided that it was RAPE not consensual sex. To that extent his opinion of what happened is an irrelevance and shouldn't in any event prevent him showing contrition to the victim.
Words like "I genuinely thought it was consensual but (the court determined) I was clearly wrong and (the victim) has suffered emotionally which is something I am really sorry for"
If he had done that he would have been clear to return to his career. Failing to do so shows an arrogant disregard for social mores and will leave him ostracised.

What a bizarre comment. His opinion is far from irrelevant and where have I rewritten history?

As for your so called apology, why would he admit to rape when he believes it was consensual. How is that going to stand up with his claim of innocence and the process currently going through CCRC!

I find it equally bizarre, that some people don't consider his reprehensible actions that night worthy of plenty of remorse, REGARDLESS of his percieved innocence of the rape charge.

I agree with that. His behaviour, especially as he was in a relationship, was completely out of order but he has apologised to his girlfriend and she appears to have chosen to accept that.

Having been found guilty in court then no matter how I personally interpreted what happened I would consider showing remorse for (the victim) suffering to be the most expedient way of resuming my place in society.

You would hold your hand up and admit you are a rapist even if you know a girl you had sex with had definitely said yes? I find that a very odd admission to make.

It is Evans that chose to play this out in the court of public opinion with his pernicious website. With his refusal to condemn his supporters for revealing this girls identity five times and forcing her to lead a life on the run. With his refusal to condemn his supporters for bombarding Jessica Ennis-Hill with rape threats. His silence is a tacit approval

Hoisted on his own petard.

Exactly where has he refused to condemn his supporters, can you provide a link to that information? You also refer to 'his' supporters bombarding Jessica Ennis-Hall. How do you know they were his supporters and not just Sheff Utd fans. (whatever they were they were internet trolls that deserve prosecution). As for playing it in the public domain, don't you think it was already there with the media attention to the original case?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Where on earth did I say that? Talk about putting words in my mouth. Rape is an abhorrent crime, one of the worst crimes that can be commited, I'm simply questioning how a guilty, beyond reasonable doubt verdict was reached when the woman in question cannot remember any of the events.



Could you please direct me to where the girl in question has said she didn't consent? All I'm trying to comprehend is how he can be convicted when she doesn't remember anything beyond any doubt? I'm not a lawyer but can you, beyond reasonable doubt assure me Ched Evans is a rapist and should be labelled as such for the rest of his life? I can't, that's why I'm questioning it, based on the evidence we know I find it hard to understand the jurors decision, there is things on both sides of this case that just do not add up.

There's an in depth report on the case here thats quite interesting if it hasn't already been posted.
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

There is a reason this thread is up to 99 pages. I'm not going through everything again. As spring hall convert pointed out, your choice of language is what we both picked up on. You pretty much said that because he didn't drag her down a dark alley it's not the same thing. A discussion about consent is completely different to the turn of phrase you decided to use.

 

[Triggaaar]

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[Mellotron]

Having been found guilty in court then no matter how I personally interpreted what happened I would consider showing remorse for (the victim) suffering to be the most expedient way of resuming my place in society.

But you wouldn't see them as the victim if you were in his shoe's and believe what he believes. You would see them as the perpetrator.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You forgot the bit about his website, and the bit about his "mates" outing the girls identity 3 times forcing her to move and change her name over and over ruining her life.

She didn't help herself with her tweets (since deleted) and Facebook entries (also deleted)
That's why I have doubts about this conviction.

 

[spring hall convert]

Exactly where has he refused to condemn his supporters, can you provide a link to that information? You also refer to 'his' supporters bombarding Jessica Ennis-Hall. How do you know they were his supporters and not just Sheff Utd fans. (whatever they were they were internet trolls that deserve prosecution). As for playing it in the public domain, don't you think it was already there with the media attention to the original case?

How exactly do I provide a link to something that hasn't happened? I would suggest it is up to you to provide something where he does.

You're right, though whether they were his supporters or not, they were doing it in his name and I don't think it would have hurt him to distance himself from it.

There was, he clearly exacerbated it with his website though.

I'm out of this one again now, I've said my piece. Personally I think it would be better for everyone, Evans included, if he had delayed his football comeback until the full legal process had taken its course. No one wants an unrepentant convicted rapist (which in the eyes of the law he indisputably is) playing for their club. Clearly I understand the reasons that he can't show remorse. We have a catch 22.

 

[Mellotron]

I do agree that he should wait until all appeals etc are over before attempting to restart as a footballer, for everyone's sake, including his.

 

[symyjym]

...................... they were doing it in his name and I don't think it would have hurt him to distance himself from it.

Yep, another failure to take responsibility. He could have done himself a lot of good for condeming that, but he went on as if nothing happened.

 

[Hillian1]

She didn't help herself with her tweets (since deleted) and Facebook entries (also deleted)
That's why I have doubts about this conviction.

Good for you.

But the important thing was a Jury of 12 UNANIMOUSLY didn't, and two further independent Judges have thrown out the Application to appeal.

Employers are allowed to choose NON Rapists over Rapists you know, especially ones who can't even bring themselves to speak out about the abuse received by Ennis and the Victim.