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Ched Evans
- Thread starter Brighton TID
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...on-against-idea-of-signing-evans-9956932.html
Oldham manager is opposed to it but has been overruled by the owners. He is expected to toe the party line.
Oldham manager is opposed to it but has been overruled by the owners. He is expected to toe the party line.
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There is no appeal. As has probably been posted previously, this case is being reviewed by the Criminal Cases Review Commission for a potential miscarriage of justice (that's the CCRC's remit). In the 16 or so years since it was set up the CCRC has reviewed approximately 17,200 cases of which about 3.5% have been referred back to the Court of Appeal.
Keeping The Dream Alive.
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I haven't followed this case in great detail, so two things surprised me about that article:
1) Evans' girlfriend has stayed with him and her family are supporting him through this (Assuming that she was his girlfriend at the time of the incident, as it has been intimated on this thread)
2) The director of the club, who is a former Senior Police Officer, backs the decision to sign Evans.
I do wonder how long Evan's girlfriend and her family will continue to support him once he finally realises the game is up, and he drops his innocence protestations.
Also, it is the same director who brought in Lee Hughes to Oldham who admitted his guilt.
BensGrandad
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Correct but easier to refer to it as an appeal until such time as it is rejected finally or accepted whatever.
18,627 cases reviewed, 543 referred back to court of appeal and of those, 374 had convictions quashed. That is just over 23 people per year that have been found not guilty and, presumably have therefore served jail time when they shouldn't have.
In this case, they have intimated that his case review might take up to 35 weeks and then, may be referred back to the Court of Appeal. My view on Evans is that, whilst legally he is entitled to go back to work, until this process is finished, he shouldn't really be looking to get a job back in football. If he is proved not guilty then he should be free to find a club in this or any other country. If it is thrown out, then he has to decide whether to hold his hands and accept he has been found guilty of rape and hope to get a club having shown the required remorse or face the prospect of having to find a new career!
Tooting Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Good summary.
I think one of the big problems he has is that while I understand the logic of not being publicly remorseful while challenging the verdict, if it IS upheld and he remains a convicted rapist then an apology at that stage will seem too late, and not have anything like the impact that an earlier apology would have.
Why, whenever there is a headline about David Beckham, do they not refer to the sex texts to Rebecca Loos? "Married Cheat" David Beckham...?
Why would he apologise if he doesn't believe it was rape?
If I accused you of breaking a valuable vase, and you hadn't broken it, would you apologise and show remorse for breaking the vase?
With all due respect [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] that's a RUBBISH analogy. In this case Evans DID break the vase - even he isn't claiming the event never happened.
That is a little misleading. To clarify, the 'event' ,as far as he is concerned, was consensual sex which he never has denied.
What if the only reason he protests his innocence is to keep his girlfriend and her family onside? Will there be a time that he realises the game is up ?
Oldham have said 'no'.
Evans will probably take that as a 'yes' and turn up anyway.
Evans will probably take that as a 'yes' and turn up anyway.
Shouldn't laugh, really...
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
If you accused me of intentionally breaking the vase, but I had actually broken the vase by accident, I would explain it wasn't intentional, and would then apologise for my clumsiness.
Tooting Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Sorry, you've lost me. Didn't I just say above (and several times previously, actually) that I DID understand why he wouldn't apologise, certainly at the moment, if he believes himself to be wrongly convicted? But IF he runs out of options to challenge the verdict, that is a question he has to address again given the reaction. And by then it will be too late IMHO, so he isn't in a great place on that front.
severnside gull
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You can rewrite history all you want but a court decided that it was RAPE not consensual sex. To that extent his opinion of what happened is an irrelevance and shouldn't in any event prevent him showing contrition to the victim.
Words like "I genuinely thought it was consensual but (the court determined) I was clearly wrong and (the victim) has suffered emotionally which is something I am really sorry for"
If he had done that he would have been clear to return to his career. Failing to do so shows an arrogant disregard for social mores and will leave him ostracised.
I misread the double negative...edit
You would still apologise, even though my following actions would basically ruin your life?
Note: I am not saying Ched Evans is innocent. I am playing devil's advocate and suggesting what his motivations, if he believes himself to be fully innocent, might be.