Ched Evans

[hans kraay fan club]

I never claimed that he had but Hans Kray was claiming he wasn't sorry for anything. Not sure if Hans Kray has a direct link into the mind of Ched Evans and what he is or isn't sorry for. I think the point is that he hasn't shown remorse for being a rapist and you have to ask the question why that might be?

I said no such thing.

I said he 'doesn't appear to be sorry'. i.e. he's made no PUBLIC apology for what he did.

 

[drew]

I said no such thing.

I said he 'doesn't appear to be sorry'. i.e. he's made no PUBLIC apology for what he did.

I think the crucial thing was that you said 'anything'.

 

[Beach Seagull]

I said no such thing.

I said he 'doesn't appear to be sorry'. i.e. he's made no PUBLIC apology for what he did.

Why should he when he is protesting his innocence and in the throes of launching an appeal to overturn his conviction? I didn't hear the Guildford 4 / Birmingham 6 / Bridgewater 3 etc ever make a 'public apology for what they 'did.'

 

[glasfryn]

Why should he when he is protesting his innocence and in the throes of launching an appeal to overturn his conviction? I didn't hear the Guildford 4 / Birmingham 6 / Bridgewater 3 etc ever make a 'public apology for what they 'did.'

thats because they done nothing

 

[Beach Seagull]

thats because they done nothing

They were all initially convicted and then had their convictions quashed, maybe Ched Evans feels his will be hence his lack of apology and legal challenge.

 

[Creaky]

Yes, you are correct. I was mistaken in using the word 'unconscious'.

In case anyone hasn't seen it this legal document gives a summary and full transcript of his unsuccessful appeal.

Summary: https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

Full Transcript: https://www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewcacrim2559.pdf

He hasn't had an appeal heard - that is a transcript of hearing held to see if there were grounds for an appeal - leave to appeal was denied.

 

[glasfryn]

They were all initially convicted and then had their convictions quashed, maybe Ched Evans feels his will be hence his lack of apology and legal challenge.

did you expect them to give an apology when they were innocent

 

[London Irish]

I hope Sheff Utd do the right thing. There is no "right" to play professional football, players get rejected for all kinds of reasons such as temperament, personality lack of team work, "attitude" etc, raping a woman who couldn't defend herself can be reasonably slotted in under all those don't touch with bargepole reasons. Rehabilitation yes but not in a family entertainment industry

 

[drew]

did you expect them to give an apology when they were innocent

And why do you think Evans should apologize (if in fact you do believe he should!).

 

[Beach Seagull]

did you expect them to give an apology when they were innocent

Do you expect Ched Evans to give an apology when he believes he is innocent?

It would probably make his life easier if he was to issue an 'i unreservedly apologise and i am ashamed of you my actions' statement. The fact he hasn't speaks volumes to me about his belief in his innocence.

 

[lawros left foot]

did you expect them to give an apology when they were innocent

In the eyes of the law, they, like Evans were guilty, until cleared by the court of appeal. When and if Evans is cleared on apeal, he will then be innocent.

 

[Kosh]

You are aware that he doesn't accept that he is a rapist, hence the legal challenges. If you were in his shoes, would you say sorry for something you hadn't done? You might regret the sordid circumstances but if the girl had consented then you are hardly going to agree you are a rapist! You seem to be commented on a thread without really having had a look at the circumstances and developments.

Drew, I originally commented on the general issues, emotions, possible future he may face etc. I frankly have the time nor the inclination to read through his purported declaration of innocence, arrest/trial notes - Overall it leaves a bad taste, if his conviction is overturned then so be it - now I reckon he owes people an apology for putting them through this whole process, by originally putting himself in the proverbial and ultimately jail. I would imagine the utd supporting kids will be able to separate the legal complexities?!? come on! He should never have made the mistake of putting himself at risk of exposure and arrest, he was a hero to thousands. Mistakes are one thing, but the circumstances of the original night are something he could easily have avoided. Idiot says I, and furthermore let him rot in the Sheffield Sunday leagues somewhere far, far away from 20k weekly pay packets.

Kosh

I stand by my feelings, however poorly researched or misplaced in your eyes.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

send him to live as a monk.

 

[glasfryn]

And why do you think Evans should apologize (if in fact you do believe he should!).

Do you expect Ched Evans to give an apology when he believes he is innocent?

It would probably make his life easier if he was to issue an 'i unreservedly apologise and i am ashamed of you my actions' statement. The fact he hasn't speaks volumes to me about his belief in his innocence.

In the eyes of the law, they, like Evans were guilty, until cleared by the court of appeal. When and if Evans is cleared on apeal, he will then be innocent.

if he thinks he is innocent and is going to appeal and wins then he was/is right not to apologize

 

[lawros left foot]

if he thinks he is innocent and is going to appeal and wins then he was/is right not to apologize

Excactly

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Why should he when he is protesting his innocence and in the throes of launching an appeal to overturn his conviction? I didn't hear the Guildford 4 / Birmingham 6 / Bridgewater 3 etc ever make a 'public apology for what they 'did.'

did you expect them to give an apology when they were innocent

And why do you think Evans should apologize (if in fact you do believe he should!).

Do you expect Ched Evans to give an apology when he believes he is innocent?

It would probably make his life easier if he was to issue an 'i unreservedly apologise and i am ashamed of you my actions' statement. The fact he hasn't speaks volumes to me about his belief in his innocence.

My view is that even if you take Evans' statement of the events as the gospel truth, then his actions that night are an utter disgrace. He went round to a hotel room, and took advantage of a young woman in no state to be making sensible choices, whilst a gang of his mates enjoyed the show. If he honestly feels that he did nothing that night that he needs to be apologising for that says volumes about his character. If you agree with him, it says pretty sorry things about yours.

 

[lawros left foot]

My view is that even if you take Evans' statement of the events as the gospel truth, then his actions that night are an utter disgrace. He went round to a hotel room, and took advantage of a young woman in no state to be making sensible choices, whilst a gang of his mates enjoyed the show. If he honestly feels that he did nothing that night that he needs to be apologising for that says volumes about his character. If you agree with him, it says pretty sorry things about yours.

Not if the young women in question was compliant in the act, and only as drunk as the evidence of her alcohol intake would suggest, how she, as an experienced drinker, had complete alcoholic amnesia after only the equivalent of five pints, I struggle to understand. The term beyond reasonable doubt, doesn't seem to have been applied in this case. Having said all that, I agree with you, his behaviour was vile, even if it wasnt rape, but worth a five stretch? I'm not sure.

 

[Greyrun]

My view is that even if you take Evans' statement of the events as the gospel truth, then his actions that night are an utter disgrace. He went round to a hotel room, and took advantage of a young woman in no state to be making sensible choices, whilst a gang of his mates enjoyed the show. If he honestly feels that he did nothing that night that he needs to be apologising for that says volumes about his character. If you agree with him, it says pretty sorry things about yours.

Agree, thought mens attitude towards women had moved on, sadly lots of men still closer to cave men than modern man.

 

[Kosh]

My view is that even if you take Evans' statement of the events as the gospel truth, then his actions that night are an utter disgrace. He went round to a hotel room, and took advantage of a young woman in no state to be making sensible choices, whilst a gang of his mates enjoyed the show. If he honestly feels that he did nothing that night that he needs to be apologising for that says volumes about his character. If you agree with him, it says pretty sorry things about yours.

Totally agree - with every single sentiment within that post, it's what I touched upon too. I don't want to involve myself in further debate on this issue, it's fairly uncomfortable do to so to be honest, but I wanted to make my feelings clear. Long ago when I was at university, I helped a extremely drunk girl - who was surprisingly interested in me! get home safe with her friends from a club. She could barely stand by the end of the night. That is what any man worthy of a being called a decent chap should always do in similar circumstances, not take advantage to his own sordid ends. In my opinion what he did has no real decent defence, what he involved himself in was horrendous, and if anyone considers it a 'risky' yet acceptable night out, well I for one find that deeply disturbing.

Kosh

 

[Beach Seagull]

My view is that even if you take Evans' statement of the events as the gospel truth, then his actions that night are an utter disgrace. He went round to a hotel room, and took advantage of a young woman in no state to be making sensible choices, whilst a gang of his mates enjoyed the show. If he honestly feels that he did nothing that night that he needs to be apologising for that says volumes about his character. If you agree with him, it says pretty sorry things about yours.

Amazing how she was able to make the 'sensible choice' to have sex with McDonald but her ability to make 'sensible choices' had deserted her by the time Evans arrived. I believe she made a choice to have sex with Evans and then cried 'rape' when she smelt the compensation. Also the two people watching hardly constitutes a 'gang.' Why does me agreeing with Evans 'speak volumes' about my character? I realise me thinking the case is a miscarriage of justice has upset the PC brigade on here to the extent that I was referred to as a 'james hunt' by one brave soul in my 'notifications. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Plymouth GK McCormick who killed 2 people when drunk behind the wheel didn't face the same vitroil as CE, but that is 'modern Britain' for you when certain crimes will rile the PC brigade more than others.