Ched Evans

[Beach Seagull]

"Looking forward", according to the dictionary is to "feel pleased and excited." Which is pretty much the same as getting your kicks is it not? And yes this is an emotive subject but it can be discussed in a sensitive way; which most posters seem to be doing. You're not. And I stand by my comment. You are coming across as a bit weird because you're too enthusiastic about this topic, quite childish, flippant and belittling of the subject (see post 347) and too suppositional at times. Ordinarily I would not have an issue with any of these, although the latter point is not a good trait to carry into a debate, but the subject matter changes things.

I'm going to duck out now as rape isn't something I really wish to spend my Sunday afternoon discussing.

Stop putting words into my mouth. I did not say 'I get my kicks' ever. Like I said reverting to personal insults against someone because they don't agree with you detracts rather than adds to the validity of your arguements.

 

[AlastairWatts]

. If he was to sign (don't think he will as Sheffield United seem like they will) there would be an initial fuss but once he started scoring goals it would soon all be forgotten. The I've 'torn up my season ticket' brigade wouldn't be missed.

I hope Sheff United do re-sign him as I've got a big bet on them to win the league and his goals would certainly help.

I can't see him signing for anyone 'cept United, but I do think that were he to end up here and started scoring you're exactly right. I think the guy deserves a chance. If he were a decorator or plumber no-one would give two hoots. The PC bandwagon rolls on and on!

 

[jcdenton08]

I can't see him signing for anyone 'cept United, but I do think that were he to end up here and started scoring you're exactly right. I think the guy deserves a chance. If he were a decorator or plumber no-one would give two hoots. The PC bandwagon rolls on and on!

Would you want your son or daughter walking around in a replica "Evans" shirt? A shirt celebrating the mere existence of a convicted rapist, who is out of prison on license?

 

[Beach Seagull]

Would you want your son or daughter walking around in a replica "Evans" shirt? A shirt celebrating the mere existence of a convicted rapist, who is out of prison on license?

I don't have children so I can't comment. But I firmly believe there has been a misscarriage of justice in this case and I firmly believe his conviction will be quashed by the appeal court. The fact the notoriously slow CCRC has 'fast tracked' his case speaks volumes. My guess is that his defence will have unearthed something in the period between conviction and release (maybe something from the victim on social media). I sincerely hope so as will mean this talented young guy can get on with his life / career and earn the thousands of pounds a week his footballing ability warrants.

 

[Czechmate]

I don't have children so I can't comment. But I firmly believe there has been a misscarriage of justice in this case and I firmly believe his conviction will be quashed by the appeal court. The fact the notoriously slow CCRC has 'fast tracked' his case speaks volumes. My guess is that his defence will have unearthed something in the period between conviction and release (maybe something from the victim on social media). I sincerely hope so as will mean this talented young guy can get on with his life / career and earn the thousands of pounds a week his footballing ability warrants.

I think they 'fast tracked' his application because of who he is , doubt whether an unknown bod would get the same attention . Didn't he appeal straight after his conviction but three appeal judges turned it down ? I don't know the facts so can't really comment any further .

 

[drew]

Would you want your son or daughter walking around in a replica "Evans" shirt? A shirt celebrating the mere existence of a convicted rapist, who is out of prison on license?

Then that is down to the parent that doesn't say no when his kid wants a ched evans shirt!!!

I agree with JCL that he is currently a convicted rapist so until that is quashed I wouldn't want him near any club, let alone my own.

 

[Boris Yeltsin]

The moment his conviction is quashed, let's go in for him.

 

[Kosh]

My dad's a lifelong Blade and a perfectly law abiding man. I asked him the inevitable question re Evans, and yes he would take Evans back at Utd as I suspect would many Blade ites. Seemingly, regardless of the crime, he's a free man and one who has served his time as deemed suitable by the crown - that's the black and white... however... and whilst he needs to earn a living, the reality is that he's in a high profile job. I would imagine it'll be very difficult for him on and off the pitch, other players will work him, other fans, a proportion of his own clubs support... this is not a simple case of rocking up and banging goals in, its a long and painful journey yet one that is undoubtedly deserved given the severity of his crime.

He has a right to pursue a living in his trade ok, but it's not going to be simple or easy for any of the persons involved.

I wouldn't want him near my club, but that's only my opinion - had he been our best striker for the best part of three seasons? well who knows how many of us would feel? especially right now. I'd like to think I'd still say no thanks.

Kosh

 

[clippedgull]

My dad's a lifelong Blade and a perfectly law abiding man. He would like to see Evans back at Utd as I suspect would many Blade ites. Regardless of the crime he's a free man and one who has served his time as deemed suitable by the crown - thats the black and white however... Yet he needs to earn a living, yet the reality is that he's in a high profile job. I would imagine it'll be very difficult for him on and off the pitch, other players will work him, other fans, a proportion of his own clubs support... this is not a simple case of rocking up and banging goals in, its a long and painful journey yet one that is undoubtedly deserved given the severity of his crime.

He has a right to pursue a living in his trade, but it's not going to be simple or easy for any of the persons involved.

I wouldn't want him near my club, but that's only my opinion - had he been our best striker for the best part of three seasons? well who knows how many of us would feel? especially right now. I'd like to think I'd still say no thanks.

Kosh

With reference to his right to pursue a living in his trade.

I know it's hypothetical, but take the same situation and put a 15yo girl in that room . Immediately that person that commits the crime is a paedophile. The girl looked of age is his defence. She was unconscious. I can't believe anyone would say that this hypothetical person should be allowed to pursue his trade.

Right to work? Yes of course but with sex offender restrictions. Why can't he re-train and start a new career?

But whatever happens, Ched Evans and the victim will have to live with what happened and the consequences until their dying day.

 

[Kosh]

With reference to his right to pursue a living in his trade.

I know it's hypothetical, but take the same situation and put a 15yo girl in that room . Immediately that person that commits the crime is a paedophile. The girl looked of age is his defence. She was unconscious. I can't believe anyone would say that this hypothetical person should be allowed to pursue his trade.

Right to work? Yes of course but with sex offender restrictions. Why can't he re-train and start a new career?

But whatever happens, Ched Evans and the victim will have to live with what happened and the consequences until their dying day.

Obviously I agree with the above, even without the hypothetical amendment. His right to return to his trade is alas seemingly the accepted norm (Marlon King, Lee Hughes et al), regardless of the awful nature of the (Evans) conviction. I'd be seriously horrified if it was my club, and I was really surprised by the significant proportion (or so I'm told) of the Blades support behind/accepting (of) his homecoming.

I'm sure he deeply regrets his actions, and (as you say) he and his victim, lest we forget, have now got to live with the consequences for the rest of their days.

Taking it all in is rather difficult; but I can't help feeling an example should be set (a line drawn) and football should say no. Surely this kind of high profile job should come with the proviso: you keep it legal or you're out.

 

[nwgull]

With reference to his right to pursue a living in his trade.

I know it's hypothetical, but take the same situation and put a 15yo girl in that room . Immediately that person that commits the crime is a paedophile. The girl looked of age is his defence. She was unconscious. I can't believe anyone would say that this hypothetical person should be allowed to pursue his trade.

Right to work? Yes of course but with sex offender restrictions. Why can't he re-train and start a new career?

But whatever happens, Ched Evans and the victim will have to live with what happened and the consequences until their dying day.

How could have anyone determined that she was unconscious? She was certainly conscious when she walked into the hotel room.

 

[clippedgull]

How could have anyone determined that she was unconscious? She was certainly conscious when she walked into the hotel room.

Yes, you are correct. I was mistaken in using the word 'unconscious'.

In case anyone hasn't seen it this legal document gives a summary and full transcript of his unsuccessful appeal.

Summary: https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

Full Transcript: https://www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewcacrim2559.pdf

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I'm sure he deeply regrets his actions, and (as you say) he and his victim, lest we forget, have now got to live with the consequences for the rest of their days.

The thing is - he DOESN'T appear to regret anything, other than getting caught.

 

[Kosh]

The thing is - he DOESN'T appear to regret anything, other than getting caught.

I was unaware he'd shown no outward sign of sorrow, regret etc. If what you say is a true representation of his 'personality', then frankly he should never be allowed to play professional football again.

How would I feel about playing with him? ask for a transfer/refuse to play until he was gone. Against him? waist high tackle at the first opportunity, hopefully removing any trace of manhood. Time will tell however; how other players/managers feel...

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

He has a right to pursue a living in his trade ok, but it's not going to be simple or easy for any of the persons involved.

thinking somemore on this, how would this scenario work. what if he was a painter and you hired him to paint your lounge whilst your wife/daughter was home alone, would he have to tell you he was a convicted sex offender?

 

[drew]

I was unaware he'd shown no outward sign of sorrow, regret etc. If what you say is a true representation of his 'personality', then frankly he should never be allowed to play professional football again.

How would I feel about playing with him? ask for a transfer/refuse to play until he was gone. Against him? waist high tackle at the first opportunity, hopefully removing any trace of manhood. Time will tell however; how other players/managers feel...

You are aware that he doesn't accept that he is a rapist, hence the legal challenges. If you were in his shoes, would you say sorry for something you hadn't done? You might regret the sordid circumstances but if the girl had consented then you are hardly going to agree you are a rapist! You seem to be commented on a thread without really having had a look at the circumstances and developments.

 

[drew]

The thing is - he DOESN'T appear to regret anything, other than getting caught.

Where does it say he doesn't regret anything?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Where does it say he doesn't regret anything?

Where does it say he has, other than cheating on his girlfriend?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I think they 'fast tracked' his application because of who he is , doubt whether an unknown bod would get the same attention . Didn't he appeal straight after his conviction but three appeal judges turned it down ? I don't know the facts so can't really comment any further .

I don't think "who he is" would warrant fast-tracking. I would agree that they would only do that if they saw (the possibility of) good reason to overthrow the original verdict.

 

[drew]

Where does it say he has, other than cheating on his girlfriend?

I never claimed that he had but Hans Kray was claiming he wasn't sorry for anything. Not sure if Hans Kray has a direct link into the mind of Ched Evans and what he is or isn't sorry for. I think the point is that he hasn't shown remorse for being a rapist and you have to ask the question why that might be?