Can Labour actually win the next election and make a difference?

[Titanic]

Good speech by Ed Milliband so far

then what happened?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Aren't there several other political parties that lie to the electorate ? Or are you suggesting some other form of government would be better ?

Quite. Osborne said he'd reduce the debt by 2015. It's currently double what he inherited and we get bullshit about how he didn't realize how bad things were and telling us there is a recession.

 

[beorhthelm]

Quite. Osborne said he'd reduce the debt by 2015. It's currently double what he inherited and we get bullshit about how he didn't realize how bad things were and telling us there is a recession.

as much as it loaths me to defend him, he never said he'd reduce the debt by 2015. it was targeted to be reducing as a proportion of GDP by then, the figures would still be as high. thats how much debt and overspending we have in the system. if he'd had some decent policies to increase growth, he'd have hit his target but still had similar amount of debt. the realisation from this is that people such as yourself who have an interest in the details of politics still miss the picture. what we get from the opposition is a programme of new costs that will not reverse any of the systemic problems.

 

[Ernest]

then what happened?

It became very good, it is only brain dead idiots who read the Murdoch papers etc think that he is not doing a good job. David Milliband would have been simply Blair light and it was time to move away and as these were the only 2 candidates the right one won.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

It became very good, it is only brain dead idiots who read the Murdoch papers etc think that he is not doing a good job. David Milliband would have been simply Blair light and it was time to move away and as these were the only 2 candidates the right one won.

So anyone who doesn't agree with your view is a 'Brain Dead Idiot'....typical case of political envy...(attitude of 'I'm right...your wrong so I will throw insults at you).....

 

[Premiership Dream]

Or is it more political lies, to fool the electorate once again?

Labour is the reason the country is in the state its in .............easy credit and to much benefits for lazy arse losers .........also no controls on immigration

 

[Petunia]

Out of interest did everyone vote at the last election - and will you vote at the next one?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Labour is the reason the country is in the state its in .............easy credit and to much benefits for lazy arse losers .........also no controls on immigration

So totally nothing to do with the party in control between 79 and 97 ? Labour and Conservatives are just as bad as each other.

 

[drew]

Out of interest did everyone vote at the last election - and will you vote at the next one?

I always vote. Never forget that people died fighting for that right. It's why I believe it should be compulsory (together with the 'none of the above' option).

 

[Soulman]

Out of interest did everyone vote at the last election - and will you vote at the next one?

I always vote...always.

 

[Dandyman]

Labour will win the next General Election. As a pro-capitalist party they will fail to undertake the fundamental change the country needs but will still be better than the Billionaire Boys Club currently in power.

 

[Gwylan]

as much as it loaths me to defend him, he never said he'd reduce the debt by 2015. it was targeted to be reducing as a proportion of GDP by then, the figures would still be as high.

Well, he's failed on that count too. He inherited a debt of about 50% of GDP and it's now about 70%
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

There's an excellent piece from the well-known subversive leftie mag, The Spectator, about Osborne's attitude to debt.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...-of-black-holes-so-why-does-he-attack-labour/

David Milliband would have been simply Blair light and it was time to move away and as these were the only 2 candidates the right one won.

There were five candidates for the job: two Milibands, Balls, Burnham and Abbott: four middle-aged, Oxbridge-educated white males and one who's not

 

[cunning fergus]

Right...here goes.

I don't personally blame Labour for the financial ruin in 2008, I actually remember Alastair Darling and Brown taking huge steps to halt the economic meltdown by pulling together world leaders in London to agree the bank bailouts and other sandbag measures that stopped it going completely nuclear.

I also don't remember the Tories warning that the collapse was coming and disagreeing with Labours spending plans, similarly the Libs. So it is really rich of them to keep going on about the "financial mess" left by Labour as if Britain were the only one affected by the collapse.

BUT. Labour had spent too heavily on welfare and sweeteners for the masses. Add to that the farce of PPI, the ridiculous immigration policy they adopted and general nastiness of the Brown administration and labour have a problem.

Miliband is just not the right man to lead Labour into the new economy. He's clever and decent but is too much of a nerd. He's doing things about union reform that will steady the ship for the next leader but he's a dead man walking.

Labour will need to spend a bit more time in the wilderness and we need the Tiries to manage the economy a little while longer before Britain gets truly sick of the public schoolboys and snobs that really do see us as the "little people" and kick them out. 2020 should be Labor realistic target.

You don't blame them but you should.

http://londonprogressivejournal.com/article/285/gordon-brown-and-light-touch-regulation

Even Balls apologised for his part.......if he had any decency he would have resigned. Fact he is still there in the shadow cabinet and some people consider that he could be a credible Chancellor is a dreadful inditement on the intelligence of the electorate, no wonder politicians in the UK treat us with such contempt.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/12/mps-shocked-ed-balls-says-sorry

Balls and Miliband were as close to Brown as it was possible to be, who as we now know was a total ****ing disaster surrounded only by loyal liars and sycophants. It really is beyond me how anyone sane could even begin to think they are the answer to this country's problems.

 

[beorhthelm]

Well, he's failed on that count too. He inherited a debt of about 50% of GDP and it's now about 70%
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

i didnt say he hadnt failed. but you've still missed the point, the debt could be 70% in 2014 and 69% in 2015 to make the original target. other than a failure to delivery any growth policies, the main reason for the failure is shown in the first of the Spectator graphs, which shows the deficit. even with the cuts made, the budget has not fallen as expected.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Out of interest did everyone vote at the last election - and will you vote at the next one?

Yes, and yes.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Out of interest did everyone vote at the last election - and will you vote at the next one?

I've always used my vote, even if it has been to spoil the paper,which I did once.

 

[Paddy B]

Milliband impressed me today. Up to now I had thought he was not a credible leader and looked like the kid that everyone picked on at school.

Now if only they would ditch that idiot Balls....

 

[Soulman]

Just watched Ed's speech, well rehearsed with no passion.

 

[drew]

i didnt say he hadnt failed. but you've still missed the point, the debt could be 70% in 2014 and 69% in 2015 to make the original target. other than a failure to delivery any growth policies, the main reason for the failure is shown in the first of the Spectator graphs, which shows the deficit. even with the cuts made, the budget has not fallen as expected.

Then perhaps you should've clicked on the link and you will see that the national debt as a percentage of GDP is estimated to go up to 81% so he is failing, unless of course there is some miraculous recovery that sees the economy double in size in the next 6 months!!!!

 

[beorhthelm]

Then perhaps you should've clicked on the link

prehaps you should've read what i wrote, not what you think i wrote. yes, Osborne has/will fail to meet his target, no one is under any illusion of that (i think he has even said so). to recap, "Osborne said he'd reduce the debt by 2015." is not somthing ever claimed, and "He inherited a debt of about 50% of GDP and it's now about 70%" overlooks that its the direction of travel in 2015 that was the target. to actually reduce the debt would require £100bn of cuts every year in order to remove the deficit, to then chip away at the actual debt.

or put another way, he hoped he could trim the budget just enough to let inflation and GDP erode the deficit away. he didnt cut enough and/or the growth didnt materialise due to no pro-growth policies.