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Husty

Mooderator
Oct 18, 2008
11,998
Paper rounds do not count.

I'm not being poncey and looking down on it because during year 11 and my AS year its all i had (plus 20 quid EMA during AS year). Try getting a "propper" job, one that isnt' cash in hand and you may be taxed on for earning enough. Then its hard, and it is hard. Everyone wants experience which school leavers don't have.

Who said anything about paper rounds? My neighbour, got made redundant, has a family of 4 to support, by the end of the week he had a 4 different job offers.
 




bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
I've been determined to not do that, and even though (without wanting to sound arrogant) i'm good at politics, i've gone down the more practical computing route to get a job in the industry.

Dullsville ! The only problem with a computer degree is that the technology you learn on tends to be out of date. You need to try and get some work experience (I've been in IT for over thirty eight years).
 


KneeOn

Well-known member
Jun 4, 2009
4,695
Who said anything about paper rounds? My neighbour, got made redundant, has a family of 4 to support, by the end of the week he had a 4 different job offers.

You're totally missing my point. Your neighbour has experience (given his family of four i'm assuming he's an adult).

You told a poster of school age that there is jobs out there. There aren't, not for us. More of my friends are unemployed not because they don't want to work but because they apply with 40 other people, 30 of which may have no experience but the 10 who do will make the final cut for interview.
 


bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
Who said anything about paper rounds? My neighbour, got made redundant, has a family of 4 to support, by the end of the week he had a 4 different job offers.

As what though ? What jobs have you done in the last two years ? So you'd be quite happy to go to university and take any job when you finish ?
 


Husty

Mooderator
Oct 18, 2008
11,998
As what though ? What jobs have you done in the last two years ? So you'd be quite happy to go to university and take any job when you finish ?

No, i'd go to university and get a degree that would actually give me a good chance of getting a job. Not some mcdegree that gets you no where in life just for the sake of going to uni.
 




bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
No, i'd go to university and get a degree that would actually give me a good chance of getting a job. Not some mcdegree that gets you no where in life just for the sake of going to uni.

Oh right, so despite the fact that you personally have no experience in getting a proper job and not some after school part time effort you think that it's that simple, dream on sunshine, your naivety will keep you going for now though.
 


bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
You're totally missing my point. Your neighbour has experience (given his family of four i'm assuming he's an adult).

You told a poster of school age that there is jobs out there. There aren't, not for us. More of my friends are unemployed not because they don't want to work but because they apply with 40 other people, 30 of which may have no experience but the 10 who do will make the final cut for interview.

What worries me is that HS wants to go into medicine, very worrying when he can't even spell the name of his village correctly. The NHS aren't that desperate surely ?
 






bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
What's your top score on Missile Command then?

Hate to tell you but the only game I play is solitaire, I have zero interest in gaming, you see when I started in IT we didn't have games. I would bet that a BBC Micro had about as much processing power as the first mainframe I worked on. And you certainly couldn't download porn then (the celluloid clogged the card reader brushes) .
 


Biscuit

Native Creative
Jul 8, 2003
22,354
Brighton
Oh wonderful. Education back in the hands of the elite. Breeding over brains. Welcome to the 1800's.

I have no idea how anyone with any sort of social conscious can vote tory. It sickens me.
 


El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,087
Pattknull med Haksprut
I have no idea how anyone with any sort of social conscious can vote tory. It sickens me.

As much as I can't stand the Tories, the back benchers made it very clear to Willetts that his idea was dead in the water. He is however a very dangerous man to have in charge of HE.
 




Common as Mook

Not Posh as Fook
Jul 26, 2004
5,645
Oh wonderful. Education back in the hands of the elite. Breeding over brains. Welcome to the 1800's.

I have no idea how anyone with any sort of social conscious can vote tory. It sickens me.

Yeah, freeing up all those extra places for those who really need it - what a bunch of *****.
 


Biscuit

Native Creative
Jul 8, 2003
22,354
Brighton
As much as I can't stand the Tories, the back benchers made it very clear to Willetts that his idea was dead in the water. He is however a very dangerous man to have in charge of HE.

But my issue is the idea ever occurred to him... I just can't fathom it.
 


Biscuit

Native Creative
Jul 8, 2003
22,354
Brighton
Yeah, freeing up all those extra places for those who really need it - what a bunch of *****.

OK.

Explain to me how buying a University place for £28,000 will free up extra places for those who ''really need it''.

In short it doesn't. It frees up University places for those who can really afford it.
 




El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,087
Pattknull med Haksprut
are they trying to fund 110+ institutions and enroll 50% of the 18-19 yo population each year? we've overstretched the purpose and role of higher eduction, then found thats pretty expensive. meanwhile many of the graduates find their degrees are devalued as they are competing with all the other graduates for what are essentially routine jobs.

interesting observation: the undergraduate fees of 9k are higher than post grad fees of 5-6k.

I genuinely don't know what the Austrian system is in terms of the proportion of late teens they are targetting.

Perhaps the UK should adopt the German system of apprenticeships for 18/19 year olds, but for that to occur you need a greater proportion of the economy based on manufacturing, and we all know that is not the case here in the UK, nor is likely to be the case given the low esteem in which engineers and designers are held in this country, coupled with poor industrial relations from a generation ago.
 


El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,087
Pattknull med Haksprut
OK.

Explain to me how buying a University place for £28,000 will free up extra places for those who ''really need it''.

In short it doesn't. It frees up University places for those who can really afford it.

It doesn't, the proposal was that an employer or charity can effectively sponsor an additional place on a course, and the student picking up that additional place would have to pay extra money for it.
 


El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,087
Pattknull med Haksprut
But my issue is the idea ever occurred to him... I just can't fathom it.


He will have been influenced by one of the right wing think tanks on the loony fringe of the Tories. What possesses him to do anything other than shred the idea when it arrived in his inbox is worrying.
 


Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,707
The arse end of Hangleton
Who said anything about paper rounds? My neighbour, got made redundant, has a family of 4 to support, by the end of the week he had a 4 different job offers.

I can assure you as someone who was made redundant at the beginning of this recession it is NOT easy to get a job !!!! I have a feeling you've never been in the situation of having a family and a mortgage and suddenly having no job.
 




Biscuit

Native Creative
Jul 8, 2003
22,354
Brighton
I can assure you as someone who was made redundant at the beginning of this recession it is NOT easy to get a job !!!! I have a feeling you've never been in the situation of having a family and a mortgage and suddenly having no job.

I'm being made redundant at the moment. I'm thankful I don't have a family! But I do have a flat in North London to afford - not easy. What I do is massively over saturated which means every job I apply for I'm in amongst a field of 80/90 plus applicants. I've done pretty well so far and I think I can survive by freelancing for a bit but the job market isn't in a good place right now. Not by any shot.

It could be down to the fact the economy has grown by 0.0% in the last six months...
 


Superphil

Dismember
Jul 7, 2003
25,801
In a pile of football shirts
I've had a look around, and apart from someone saying Austrian universities are free, all the others I look at have tuition fees, and in many cases high ones. Munich business school for example is around e8,000 for the first year, then e10,000 for each of the next 2 years. The States are generally much dearer then here.

Is it at all possible that University education in the UK has been just too cheap for a long time now, and we are merely catching up with the rest of the world?
 


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