Buy a place at university for just 28K.

[bhaexpress]

There are currently no student fees in Austria.

The previous fee of €380 per semester was scrapped a couple of years ago.

Also, no limit on admissions. Basically, the equivalent to A-levels will get you on to almost any course here.

The benefits of losing World War Two ? Seriously, if higher education is free there then why not here ?

 

[bhaexpress]

Having made a guest lecture at Stanford and San Jose in California, and also Uni of Chicago, I would thoroughly recommend considering the States if (a) You can afford it (or have won a scholarship) and (b) you have the qualifications.

The facilities are jaw dropping, and the staff to student ratios are superb.

What were you lecturing on ? The art of John Holmes ?

 

[Husty]

I always thought you were not too bright, of course you know this from personal experience given that you've actually been out there in the working environment.

I've had 3 jobs over the last 2 years, I have never had an issue. I've also got plenty of anecdotal evidence of people going out and getting employment when they really wanted to.

 

[Austrian Gull]

Is that the same for overseas students?

No fees for students from EU countries but rest of world have to pay.

Fees only kick in here for Austrians/EU students if they fall behind in terms of the number of courses they do per semester.

 

[Superphil]

It certianly seems that other options are out there, that appear to cost less. So go for it students, give the UK a wide berth, go and learn overseas, save your money (Austria seems to be free!), gain some life experience and truely flick the 'V' to the govenment here.

 

[Seagull27]

It certianly seems that other options are out there, that appear to cost less. So go for it students, give the UK a wide berth, go and learn overseas, save your money (Austria seems to be free!), gain some life experience and truely flick the 'V' to the govenment here.

Exactly, would be a great experience to go abroad, I'm seriously considering it to do my phd. So if it's cheaper to get a degree that is more or less just as good, why not?

The problem is, it's really not very good for Britain's future.

 

[El Presidente]

It certianly seems that other options are out there, that appear to cost less. So go for it students, give the UK a wide berth, go and learn overseas, save your money (Austria seems to be free!), gain some life experience and truely flick the 'V' to the govenment here.

Surely that is an oversimplification though. Uni education is only of benefit if it carries some kudos in later life with employers. If the uni is no good, (and I'm not criticising Austrian universities here, I don't know enough about them), and there are no entry qualifications, then there is little to be gained.

It is interesting that a less wealthy country than England is able to offer free higher education though, perhaps the government there sees education as an investment rather than a cost.

 

[El Presidente]

What were you lecturing on ? The art of John Holmes ?

"Double entry and the adult entertainment world", looking at the revenues and financing of the industry, which far outstrip those of Hollywood, and the connection with the American Dream of self made pioneers.

 

[bhaexpress]

"Double entry and the adult entertainment world", looking at the revenues and financing of the industry, which far outstrip those of Hollywood, and the connection with the American Dream of self made pioneers.

I hope you made sure that they all realised that the stars of such entertainment often find that their work gets on top of them.

 

[bhaexpress]

I've had 3 jobs over the last 2 years, I have never had an issue. I've also got plenty of anecdotal evidence of people going out and getting employment when they really wanted to.

Like jobs you would want to make a career of or a paper round ? Three jobs in that last two years, not got a lot of staying power have you ?

 

[El Presidente]

I hope you made sure that they all realised that the stars of such entertainment often find that their work gets on top of them.

I've interviewed producers, directors, performers and others connected with the business, it is genuinely fascinating, and most (but not all) are very enthusiastic about it in that American 'Can Do' way.

 

[bhaexpress]

I've interviewed producers, directors, performers and others connected with the business, it is genuinely fascinating, and most (but not all) are very enthusiastic about it in that American 'Can Do' way.

Stiff competition for roles no doubt, I suppose it's one industry where it pays to be hard up.

 

[El Presidente]

Three blowjobs in that last two years, not got a lot of staying power have you ?

Just wait until you're married, three in two years will be seen as a golden time.

 

[bhaexpress]

Just wait until you're married, three in two years will be seen as a golden time.

My ex wives would find that hard to swallow, at least the second one would.

 

[beorhthelm]

I wouldn't say an institute being in the top 20 universities in Europe is a lower league university if I'm honest, the three of those mentioned are still considered fairly prestigious universities. But the fact is, if you can pay 9k a year at Bristol/Sussex, or just over 1,000 Euros per year at the University of Munich, based on league table performance then surely Munich would be an extremely attractive option? Coupled with the fact that Germany is one of the top countries in the world at the moment for industry and research, i imagine a lot of students may end up there.

slight misunderstanding, im saying that the likes of Bristol and Sussex are top league insitutions. if people dont think 9k is worth it, then i would question why they are doing a degree in the first place. now paying 9k to go to Greenwich is certainly over priced and you'd have to say going off to Vienna or Munich would cost alot less and be alot more interesting. But then, would such universities allow in the students with the grades that are accepted at Greenwich?

It is interesting that a less wealthy country than England is able to offer free higher education though, perhaps the government there sees education as an investment rather than a cost.

are they trying to fund 110+ institutions and enroll 50% of the 18-19 yo population each year? we've overstretched the purpose and role of higher eduction, then found thats pretty expensive. meanwhile many of the graduates find their degrees are devalued as they are competing with all the other graduates for what are essentially routine jobs.

interesting observation: the undergraduate fees of 9k are higher than post grad fees of 5-6k.

 

[bhaexpress]

are they trying to fund 110+ institutions and enroll 50% of the 18-19 yo population each year? we've overstretched the purpose and role of higher eduction, then found thats pretty expensive. meanwhile many of the graduates find their degrees are devalued as they are competing with all the other graduates for what are essentially routine jobs.

Well you've answered my question, thanks for that

 

[KneeOn]

For goodness sake, don't you understand, logic is irrelevent when discussing this issue. Tories and LibDems are SATAN in this subject, Labour would have made it all free. And we, the tax payers wouldn't have to pay a penny.

You obviously have your position on the subject but you can't argue that the Liberal Democrats signed pledges to not raise fees AND (not or) make the system fairer and yet have raised fees and made a system that essentially doens't really change much.

Yes, we paid up front but we got a loan to do so. In theory this current system involves no upfront payment however in practice we didn't pay upfront, we gave the uni some lent money and paid back the money instead.

So not only did the Lib Dems not do as they pledged, they've also not really changed that much...

 

[KneeOn]

You know absolutely nothing of the jobs market though, there are PLENTY of jobs out there if you want one.

Paper rounds do not count.

I'm not being poncey and looking down on it because during year 11 and my AS year its all i had (plus 20 quid EMA during AS year). Try getting a "propper" job, one that isnt' cash in hand and you may be taxed on for earning enough. Then its hard, and it is hard. Everyone wants experience which school leavers don't have.

 

[bhaexpress]

Paper rounds do not count.

I'm not being poncey and looking down on it because during year 11 and my AS year its all i had (plus 20 quid EMA during AS year). Try getting a "propper" job, one that isnt' cash in hand and you may be taxed on for earning enough. Then its hard, and it is hard. Everyone wants experience which school leavers don't have.

I feel rather sorry for people who have been to Uni to get lumbered with paying for a degree that doesn't get them a decent job, I have two nephews who have that situation.

 

[KneeOn]

I feel rather sorry for people who have been to Uni to get lumbered with paying for a degree that doesn't get them a decent job, I have two nephews who have that situation.

I've been determined to not do that, and even though (without wanting to sound arrogant) i'm good at politics, i've gone down the more practical computing route to get a job in the industry.