Brighton bomber wants to attend 25th anniversary

[Tyrone Biggums]

You can blame most of that anti-Irish attitude on the actions on the IRA, not what the British government did in NI, who, by international standards (look at Israel) were restrained in the extreme. There were civil rights issues and discrimination against catholics before the last Troubles, but that in no way justifies terrorism of any sort. To kill is wrong, indiscriminate killing is worse, and leaving a bomb ticking in a large seaside hotel goes beyond callous, Magee is scum, no argument. And unrepentative scum at that.

So they should just let themselves be treated like shit and never fight back?

Can we for a moment put the shoe on the other foot to see what reaction would happen to a simlar situation.

What if the Nazis had invaded Britain and managed to take it over?

Are you saying that if the people of Britain fought back in the following years of being invaded they would be terrorists?

I'd call them heroes, not terrorists.

And everyone of those brave Brits that died blowing up a Nazi would be a matyr.

Would you not agree?

 

[xenophon]

You call shooting and killing civilians "fighting back"? What about the example of Mohandas Gandhi? He defeated an Empire with passive resistance.

Fine, we're on a different level, there's not much more I need or want to say to you. I only "argue" with grown-ups

 

[Deleted User X18H]

I am going to the vigil tonight!

 

[Dandyman]

So they should just let themselves be treated like shit and never fight back?

Can we for a moment put the shoe on the other foot to see what reaction would happen to a simlar situation.

What if the Nazis had invaded Britain and managed to take it over?

Are you saying that if the people of Britain fought back in the following years of being invaded they would be terrorists?

I'd call them heroes, not terrorists.

And everyone of those brave Brits that died blowing up a Nazi would be a matyr.

Would you not agree?

The SDLP managed it without murdering a single person.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I defy anyone,( especially professional member of the irish diaspora tyrone biggums) to argue against or find fault with this post.

Good sir.

In your response you bring up a point/term which contradicts somewhat xenophons point of the the anti-Irish sentiment being somewhat of a 20th century phenomenon.

The biggest Irish diasporas occured in times that predate the IRA by quite a few years.

The diaspora was brought on by anti-native Irish policies which allowed for lackies of the British to take lands from the native Irish with no compensation.

These anti-Irish actions/laws lead to the Great Famine.

Many, many people lost family or had to leave during those times.

As always though they never got any justice which is probably why people hold onto such hatred and views still.

Justice.

If both sides recieved it equally then I actually think there would be a different mindset around today.

Unfortunately when justice was handed out it was always a lop-sided thing that one side got far,far more if it than the other.

 

[xenophon]

I am going to the vigil tonight!

If you see a little shifty-looking Irish beardy, do the honours, put him on his arse. I would if I was there

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The SDLP managed it without murdering a single person.

Managed what?

What did they do to return the status quo?

 

[User removed 4]

Managed what?

What did they do to return the status quo?

you have done nothing but post uninformed crap on this thread , I doubt you've ever even been to northern ireland.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You call shooting and killing civilians "fighting back"? What about the example of Mohandas Gandhi? He defeated an Empire with passive resistance.

Fine, we're on a different level, there's not much more I need or want to say to you. I only "argue" with grown-ups

Shooting and killing civilians was the modus operandi of the establishment too.

You quote the Greysteel masacre and yet make no mention of the Miami Showband killings, Ballymurphy Massacre, Springhill Massacre to counter the arguement.

It's a far stretch to point the finger at one group of people and call them terrorists when the other side is doing EXACTLY the same thing.

And why quote Ghandi?

He was in jail up until the British decided to get rid of India.

The reason for India being handed over was more to do with the Indian armed forces than any little man in a bed sheet.

So the truth is Ghandi didn't conquer shit.

Your own Prime Minister of the time Clement Atlee said as much of the Quit India movement.

 

[User removed 4]

You quote the Greysteel masacre and yet make no mention of the Miami Showband killings, Ballymurphy Massacre, Springhill Massacre to counter the arguement.

you have just proved my point 1000% per cent, uninformed crap.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

you have done nothing but post uninformed crap on this thread , I doubt you've ever even been to northern ireland.

No, iv'e offered counter arguments to other opinions.

Unlike you who just come on threads and throw random insults around at people who don't agree with you.

Iv'e been to Derry as a child, last time I checked that was in NI.

Spent most of my time though in the Rep of Ireland in a little place called Ennistymon in Couty Clare.

It's where my Grandmother and her family came from.

Lovely little place, not far from the wonderous Burren and the Cliffs of Moher.

 

[Dandyman]

Managed what?

What did they do to return the status quo?

They managed to represent the Catholic/Nationalist minority without nail bombing innocent people.

The Official IRA also managed in the early 1970's to grasp the concept that violence against "fellow countrymen" would achieve nothing hence Adams and co were the Provisional IRA (PIRA) and the Officials became the Workers Party in the Republic.

 

[xenophon]

Erm, Greysteel was the loyalists killing catholics, jog on you f***ing muppet

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

you have just proved my point 1000% per cent, uninformed crap.

Again with the insults, is that all you have?

The fact you have no idea what I'm talking about exposes you as the uninformed one on anything to do with this situation.

The Miami Showband killings (also known as the Miami Showband Massacre)[1] occurred on 31 July 1975 near Newry, in South Down, Northern Ireland when The Miami Showband musical group, one of Ireland's most popular cabaret bands of the 1970s, comprising both Catholic and Protestant musicians, were stopped and shot by UVF members (Some of whom were also members of the British Army's UDR regiment) who had set up a bogus British Army checkpoint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Showband_killings

 

[User removed 4]

Again with the insults, is that all you have?

The fact you have no idea what I'm talking about exposes you as the uninformed one on anything to do with this situation.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Showband_killings

You really are a f***ing clown, and you're highlighting more and more with every post , i said that all you have done is post uninformed crap, you proved my point by accusing xenophon of only mentioning nationalist murders, using greysteels as an example, and asking why he hadnt mentioned the miami showband killings , which were a loyalist atrocity, for your information , greysteels was a loyalist atrocity, but i wouldnt expect someone whose only experience of northern ireland was londonderry as a child to know that , do yourself a favour and stop making yourself look even more of a cock by posting republican propaganda learnt at the irish social club 12000 miles away.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

They managed to represent the Catholic/Nationalist minority without nail bombing innocent people.

The Official IRA also managed in the early 1970's to grasp the concept that violence against "fellow countrymen" would achieve nothing hence Adams and co were the Provisional IRA (PIRA) and the Officials became the Workers Party in the Republic.

I agree that one went the peaceful route early on, but that all went up the shit once Bloody Sunday went down.

That day people set out on a peaceful march and some never came home.

They never got justice either, so all I'm saying is that's why people undertake such actions.

Bloody Sunday was a perfect opportunity for the Government to say ok we go that very wrong, we were at fault and we need to make it right.

Sadly that never happened and the troubles escalated signifigantly.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You really are a f***ing clown, and you're highlighting more and more with every post , i said that all you have done is post uninformed crap, you proved my point by accusing xenophon of only mentioning nationalist murders, using greysteels as an example, and aking why he hadnt mentioned the miami showband killings , which were a loyalist atrocity, for your information , greysteels was a loyalist atrocity, but i wouldnt expect someone whose onl experience of northern ireland was londonderry as a child to know that , do yourself a favour and stop making yourself look even more of a cock by posting republican propaganda learnt at the irish social club 12000 miles away.

Greysteel was a shared atrocity.

Protestants and Catholics both died in it.

You seem to be the one sucked in by the propoganda, you only see one side of the story.

At least I can see the evil of what the IRA did, but I can at least also understand why people are driven to such actions.

Oh, there are no Irish social clubs here Einstein, just recounting of experiences from my great grandfather and grandmother.

They lived that life, you didn't.

 

[Brovion]

You really are a f***ing clown, and you're highlighting more and more with every post , i said that all you have done is post uninformed crap, you proved my point by accusing xenophon of only mentioning nationalist murders, using greysteels as an example, and asking why he hadnt mentioned the miami showband killings , which were a loyalist atrocity, for your information , greysteels was a loyalist atrocity, but i wouldnt expect someone whose only experience of northern ireland was londonderry as a child to know that , do yourself a favour and stop making yourself look even more of a cock by posting republican propaganda learnt at the irish social club 12000 miles away.

Indeed. And so it goes on; Irish clubs and societies in places like Australia and America preaching the same old anti-British line that may have had some relevance 100 or even 40 years ago but is now just recycling the same old stories simply for the sake of keeping the feud going.

 

[Tui]

As the saying goes one mans terriost is another mans freedom fighter................................

But I HATE this guy. He brought terror to the people of Sussex, he only served 14 years, he has no regreats. Why should he have a free life when he's wrecked so many lives. It's not just the people he's killed but the many survivors whoes lives have been effected and the doctors and nurses having to deal with carnage.

 

[User removed 4]

Greysteel was a shared atrocity.

Protestants and Catholics both died in it.

You seem to be the one sucked in by the propoganda, you only see one side of the story.

At least I can see the evil of what the IRA did, but I can at least also understand why people are driven to such actions.

Oh, there are no Irish social clubs here Einstein, just recounting of experiences from my great grandfather and grandmother.

They lived that life, you didn't.

ah i see, because the UVF( a loyalist paramilitary group in case you didnt know)killed two protestants in the attack as well as the mainly catholic victims it was a "shared atrocity" , you simply cannot be serious with that statement, in fact of course you're not, you just know you've made yourself look a c unt and are attempting damage limitation, as for me not living the life ? im quite sure my two tours of south armagh and tyrone respectively gives me far more latitude to expound on northern ireland than two people who lived in a village in the southern county of clare , probably over 50 years ago.