Brighton bomber wants to attend 25th anniversary

[Jamie]

Who wrote that then?

I did, why?

 

[H2O]

there is a terrific amount of irony in this thread, Magee considered Thatcher a legitimate target for there cause, if he had acheived what he set out to do i wonder how different 80s britain would have been. It seems if you ask some on here She should have a state funeral when she dies where as some would happily piss on her grave!!!

 

[Brovion]

I fully understand that those who suffered in the Brighton bomb hate his guts and want to inflict on him the same level of pain that they endured. I understand that people such as bushy who lost comrades fighting the IRA might also hate his guts. But for the rest of us, especially the younger ones who weren't even born, - don't you think there should be a level of 'moving on' and reconciliation? After all it was 25 years ago, it's the equivalent of hating the Germans and Japanese in 1970 25 years after the end of WW2. And make no mistake people (such as my Dad) really DID hate the krauts and the nips and felt they could never forgive them; I on the other hand couldn't share what for me was second-hand hatred.

It was a war and horrible things happen to innocent people in wars - that's why most people oppose them. I think if the people of Dresden can forgive the British then perhaps we can bury the hatchet? And no I don't mean in his skull.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

I fully understand that those who suffered in the Brighton bomb hate his guts and want to inflict on him the same level of pain that they endured. I understand that people such as bushy who lost comrades fighting the IRA might also hate his guts. But for the rest of us, especially the younger ones who weren't even born, - don't you think there should be a level of 'moving on' and reconciliation? After all it was 25 years ago, it's the equivalent of hating the Germans and Japanese in 1970 25 years after the end of WW2. And make no mistake people (such as my Dad) really DID hate the krauts and the nips and felt they could never forgive them; I on the other hand couldn't share what for me was second-hand hatred.

It was a war and horrible things happen to innocent people in wars - that's why most people oppose them. I think if the people of Dresden can forgive the British then perhaps we can bury the hatchet? And no I don't mean in his skull.

Exactly. Victim's families have been willing to meet with the IRA and loyalist paramilitaries and also offer forgiveness and yet closed minded people with little or no connection to such events (such as our thread starter) bang the same tired old drum.

 

[Jamie]

Its nice to hear the new generation do not want to fight the conflicts of their fathers. Must be the wisdom of youth. The whole bloody fight was always stupid, born out of originally peasant v landowners interests, famine, a refusal to see things from the other side and ended up in the troubles with one lot of working class kids killing other working class kids. They say that when England catches a cold then Ireland catches pneumonia. That is the case now as it always was. It makes not a jot of difference whether that pneumonia is in the 26 County Free State / Republic or the 6 Counties / Ulster. For irony sake, its aways worth remembering that the father of Irish republicanism was Protestant. Most people with Irish in the family will know the slogans, "There are 32 counties in Ireland ", "for the Green white and gold" or for "Loyal Protestant Ulster" - lets not give a sh!t and have an Alternatve Ulster instead.

 

[sod1]

If I ever had the good fortune to meet Magee in person, I'd kick him f***ing senseless - I'd do time for him, no problem. I'd shove a VHS tape right up his Gary Glitter in memory of the VCR recorder he rigged up to a bomb under a bath in a hotel where thousands of people passed through before it eventually killed and maimed.

I know people who worked in Brighton A & E that day when the dead and injured were brought in. Total carnage, like a butcher's shop.

After receiving eight life sentences with a recommendation to spend a minimum of 35 years banged up, Magee did FOURTEEN YEARS for five murders and 34 injuries, you call that justice? Following his release, Magee said "I stand by what I did"

No, I'd happily kick f*** out of Magee, and that goes for every stinking provo bastard that ever planted a bomb, anywhere.

End of

well said

 

[Nibble]

I fully understand that those who suffered in the Brighton bomb hate his guts and want to inflict on him the same level of pain that they endured. I understand that people such as bushy who lost comrades fighting the IRA might also hate his guts. But for the rest of us, especially the younger ones who weren't even born, - don't you think there should be a level of 'moving on' and reconciliation? After all it was 25 years ago, it's the equivalent of hating the Germans and Japanese in 1970 25 years after the end of WW2. And make no mistake people (such as my Dad) really DID hate the krauts and the nips and felt they could never forgive them; I on the other hand couldn't share what for me was second-hand hatred.

It was a war and horrible things happen to innocent people in wars - that's why most people oppose them. I think if the people of Dresden can forgive the British then perhaps we can bury the hatchet? And no I don't mean in his skull.

It's not the same though. It is unreasonable to hate all japanese and germans of different generations after the war but you can still hate the actual war criminals.

No-one hates Irish people who had nothing to do with the terror campaign but you can still hate the actual bomber.

 

[brighton bluenose]

Its nice to hear the new generation do not want to fight the conflicts of their fathers. Must be the wisdom of youth. .

Really??!! The peace walls still exist and sectarian attacks still go on perpetrated by both communities - just because it doesnt get reported on the national news doesnt mean its not there!

These hatreds will take several generations to diminish - remember this has been going on for over 300 years!!

 

[Jamie]

Really??!! The peace walls still exist and sectarian attacks still go on perpetrated by both communities - just because it doesnt get reported on the national news doesnt mean its not there!

These hatreds will take several generations to diminish - remember this has been going on for over 300 years!!

I was referring to the lad who posted that he was too young to remember it all and lets move on. But on your point, the 6 counties is far better now than in 1984. The conflict has changed over the centuries from peasant land rights to something that sees its roots in the Tory / Orangeman deal to scupper Home Rule, which led to collins then partition. Now people are doing their best to do what that lad suggested, and moving on. Personally I wish them all the best.

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

I did, why?

It was good.

 

[Taybha]

erm seeing as nobody has asked ,why does he want to go ?

 

[cunning fergus]

I fully understand that those who suffered in the Brighton bomb hate his guts and want to inflict on him the same level of pain that they endured. I understand that people such as bushy who lost comrades fighting the IRA might also hate his guts. But for the rest of us, especially the younger ones who weren't even born, - don't you think there should be a level of 'moving on' and reconciliation? After all it was 25 years ago, it's the equivalent of hating the Germans and Japanese in 1970 25 years after the end of WW2. And make no mistake people (such as my Dad) really DID hate the krauts and the nips and felt they could never forgive them; I on the other hand couldn't share what for me was second-hand hatred.

It was a war and horrible things happen to innocent people in wars - that's why most people oppose them. I think if the people of Dresden can forgive the British then perhaps we can bury the hatchet? And no I don't mean in his skull.

Would you feel the same way if you never knew your dad and then found out from one of his surviving mates that he died by having his head cut off after complaining to a Japanese Officer about the bayoneting of injured British/Indian soldiers and the rape and murder of nurses in a hospital after the surrender of Hong Kong?

If you do I could give you the telephone number of one of my Dad's mates and you can tell him to get over it.

 

[bhaexpress]

I fully understand that those who suffered in the Brighton bomb hate his guts and want to inflict on him the same level of pain that they endured. I understand that people such as bushy who lost comrades fighting the IRA might also hate his guts. But for the rest of us, especially the younger ones who weren't even born, - don't you think there should be a level of 'moving on' and reconciliation? After all it was 25 years ago, it's the equivalent of hating the Germans and Japanese in 1970 25 years after the end of WW2. And make no mistake people (such as my Dad) really DID hate the krauts and the nips and felt they could never forgive them; I on the other hand couldn't share what for me was second-hand hatred.

It was a war and horrible things happen to innocent people in wars - that's why most people oppose them. I think if the people of Dresden can forgive the British then perhaps we can bury the hatchet? And no I don't mean in his skull.

I take exception with the Japanese. To this day they have never made any attempt to really apologise for the appalling atrocities they carried out throughout all of the regions they invaded. The Chinese hate them still.

 

[bhaexpress]

It was good.

I would imagine he wants to come and make friends.

 

[Brovion]

Would you feel the same way if you never knew your dad and then found out from one of his surviving mates that he died by having his head cut off after complaining to a Japanese Officer about the bayoneting of injured British/Indian soldiers and the rape and murder of nurses in a hospital after the surrender of Hong Kong?

If you do I could give you the telephone number of one of my Dad's mates and you can tell him to get over it.

No I bloody wouldn't, which is PRECISELY what I said if you'd bothered to read my post correctly (sorry if there were too many words and not enough pictures). I don't expect anybody with a personal involvement to forgive or forget. If I was twenty five and my dad had died in the Brighton bomb I'd still hate all things Irish.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Just wondering if the same people who want this chap dealt with also want the Brit soldiers who killed innocents on Bloody Sunday dead?

Or is this one of those one rule for one, one rule for another type situations?

Both acts from both sides were disgraceful.

The only difference here is one person was brought to justice for his actions, the others weren't.

 

[Jamie]

No I bloody wouldn't, which is PRECISELY what I said if you'd bothered to read my post correctly (sorry if there were too many words and not enough pictures). I don't expect anybody with a personal involvement to forgive or forget. If I was twenty five and my dad had died in the Brighton bomb I'd still hate all things Irish.

i hope you wouldn't. There are (some - not all) irish that sadly still hate all things english for everything from the famine to splitting their country in half. But it gets nobody anywhere. Irish / English, there is really no difference. There are those with money , with interest and those without and who are the cannon fodder. The Housemartins - fat boy slims old band sang "some have lost their folks at war, and some have given orders". I suppose a new line would be "some have lost their folks at war and some are keyboard warriors".
As long as they stay behind their keyboard, then that is progress. It would be so sad if again working class lads in Ireland started killing each other for the a greater cause of the Green White & Gold or Loyal Ulster. It will just mean that more British working class kids who have left school to join the army from places like Brighton, Aberdeen and Swansea, who don't even understand the Irish argument, being given a gun and told to "police" the 6 counties. Then they will again start to be brought home in a coffin after being shot by a snipers rifle. Moe mothers burying their sons and regretting the day they let their kid join the forces, and more kids in Ireland thinking its normal to look to the ira / uvf for protection instead of the police. So the cycle of hate will continue.
So if people want this fight and hatred to go on, then long may it be a keyboard rather than the actual war, as it has had an effect on many people who are Irish, or half Irish, or have married into an Irish family or who just happen to be shopping in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[bhaexpress]

Just wondering if the same people who want this chap dealt with also want the Brit soldiers who killed innocents on Bloody Sunday dead?

Or is this one of those one rule for one, one rule for another type situations?

Both acts from both sides were disgraceful.

The only difference here is one person was brought to justice for his actions, the others weren't.

To be fair the soldiers on Bloody Sunday were in the middle of a riot and thought they'd been shot at (they may have been). Bear in mind the troops there were always being stoned and having petrol bombs thrown at then not to mention being shot at. The Brighton Bomb was premeditated murder, not quite the same thing.

 

[xenophon]

No-one hates Irish people who had nothing to do with the terror campaign but you can still hate the actual bomber.

 

[coventrygull]

As its a case of forgive and forget. Let the 1st Battalion of the parachute regiment march through Londonderry