Brighton bomber wants to attend 25th anniversary

[bhadebenhams]

erm seeing as nobody has asked ,why does he want to go ?

Jelly and ice creme for afters

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

He's made his peace with some of the victims families, which is quite incredible really. Total respect to both parties for that. But seems to me that to want to attend the 25th anniversary is deeply insensitive and a step too far. He should just let it lie IMHO.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

To be fair the soldiers on Bloody Sunday were in the middle of a riot and thought they'd been shot at (they may have been). Bear in mind the troops there were always being stoned and having petrol bombs thrown at then not to mention being shot at. The Brighton Bomb was premeditated murder, not quite the same thing.

I don't disagree that they were in a volatile situation.

But what will always stick in my mind is Bernard McGuigan who was shot in the head despite the poor man waving a white handkerchief to alert anyone looking at him that he had only peaceful intentions.

There's alot of dodgy shit and cover-ups surrounding Bloody Sunday, the soldiers lied and yet it was never enough to get a trial.

And while the families of the IRA chap involved in the Brighton attacks got some justice with him being jailed, those who lost family on Bloody Sunday got no justice for their loved ones.

As i said it's tragic on both sides, it's jsut often it's forgotten why these things happen and what drives people to do them.

 

[Jamie]

the paras should never have been there to cause the scond bloody sunday. A bunch of british, mainly working class kids trained to kill, policing a civil rights march with a few irish angry working class kids in the ira taking pot shots from the roof. The irony is that the ira kids and the kids in the paras had more in common with each other then anyone else.

 

[brighton bluenose]

the paras should never have been there to cause the scond bloody sunday. A bunch of british, mainly working class kids trained to kill, policing a civil rights march with a few irish angry working class kids in the ira taking pot shots from the roof. The irony is that the ira kids and the kids in the paras had more in common with each other then anyone else.

Sociology Level 1??!!

 

[Jamie]

Sociology Level 1??!!

LOL an ology...no i've not got an ology. Why do they teach common sense in ology. I thought they talked bollox?

 

[brighton bluenose]

LOL an ology...no i've not got an ology. Why do they teach common sense in ology. I thought they talked bollox?

LOL!!

 

[Mackenzie]

I bet the hotel that he stays in checks the room after he leaves.

 

[Jamie]

I bet the hotel that he stays in checks the room after he leaves.

LOL.

 

[Stoo82]

Would you ever see Usama Bin Laden at a 9/11 anniversary?

No.

Im glad there is peace, but they sould NEVER be invited to a memorial.

 

[cunning fergus]

No I bloody wouldn't, which is PRECISELY what I said if you'd bothered to read my post correctly (sorry if there were too many words and not enough pictures). I don't expect anybody with a personal involvement to forgive or forget. If I was twenty five and my dad had died in the Brighton bomb I'd still hate all things Irish.

I did read your post thanks. You said:

But for the rest of us, especially the younger ones who weren't even born, - don't you think there should be a level of 'moving on' and reconciliation? After all it was 25 years ago, it's the equivalent of hating the Germans and Japanese in 1970 25 years after the end of WW2.

and,

I on the other hand couldn't share what for me was second-hand hatred.

Therefore my point is simple, so long as the enlightened generations who are 'moving on' are completely comfortable with what went on in those days then that's fine. The Japs are an interesting case in point thought aren't they what with their lack of recognition for their atrocities, airbrushing their part in WW2 from their school history books etc.

Seems to me that there are plenty amongst the younger generations who are not moving on, certainly the paddies, jocks and taffs all have plenty of baggage about British history beyond 25 years, not forgetting our recent guests who have their beefs with the British Empire from slavery to partition of the sub continent.

Looking further afield dont forget those ridiculous historical grudges (i.e. over 25yrs) held by the Arabs, Jews, Bosnians, Basques, Croats, Serbs, Ukranians, Chechens, Armenians, Greeks, Native Indians, Aborigines, Incas, Aztecs etc etc............if only they could just all move on, life could be more like a Coke advert wouldn't it be great.......................y'know..................I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony etc etc.

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

i expect Righton council will give the murdering c*nt a ticker tape reception.
f*** off scummy shit c*nt.

 

[Jamie]

i expect Righton council will give the murdering c*nt a ticker tape reception.
f*** off scummy shit c*nt.

ah be jesus, you can do better than that, what about the old classic "have a chicken supper.."

 

[coventrygull]

The funny thing is. This bloke lived his early life in Norwich. Hardly someone tortured by the problems in Ulster. Moved to Belfast in 1969 obviously a psycho looking for some action. He was responsible for other bombings not just Brighton. The bloke is scum.

 

[Jamie]

The funny thing is. This bloke lived his early life in Norwich. Hardly someone tortured by the problems in Ulster. Moved to Belfast in 1969 obviously a psycho looking for some action. He was responsible for other bombings not just Brighton. The bloke is scum.

Really? A bit like the 7/7 bombers being born in England. Republican family maybe. In large irish families the sons of ira men that fought with Collins are still alive. People in their 50's may have had fathers or grandfathers who were in the ira during the "war of independence" (would be called terrorism today).
If you go to the "Free state" then you will see war memorials to remember the dead of the IRB/IRA. Partition is history to the English but current affairs for many Irish, especially one's aged 50 plus as their fathers were fighting when the Free State was born. The Brighton Bomber must be in his 50's.
But it has to be time to move on tho' surely. Brighton had one bomb, people died, but also Irish nurses at Brighton hospital will have nursed the injured (imagine how that was for the Irish living and working in Brighton at the time). But in the 6 counties, they had millions of the bloody things so if they can leave it alone and sit down together then so can Brighton. However, chicken suppers all round then.

 

[coventrygull]

Really? A bit like the 7/7 bombers being born in England. Republican family maybe. In large irish families the sons of ira men that fought with Collins are still alive. People in their 50's may have had fathers or grandfathers who were in the ira during the "war of independence" (would be called terrorism today).
If you go to the "Free state" then you will see war memorials to remember the dead of the IRB/IRA. Partition is history to the English but current affairs for many Irish, especially one's aged 50 plus as their fathers were fighting when the Free State was born. The Brighton Bomber must be in his 50's.
But it has to be time to move on tho' surely. Brighton had one bomb, people died, but also Irish nurses at Brighton hospital will have nursed the injured (imagine how that was for the Irish living and working in Brighton at the time). But in the 6 counties, they had millions of the bloody things so if they can leave it alone and sit down together then so can Brighton. However, chicken suppers all round then.

So whilst living his life in Norwich. Why didn't he just go and support the Canaries rather than going off to Belfast with the intention of joining the IRA.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The funny thing is. This bloke lived his early life in Norwich. Hardly someone tortured by the problems in Ulster. Moved to Belfast in 1969 obviously a psycho looking for some action. He was responsible for other bombings not just Brighton. The bloke is scum.

It probably wasn't that funny being of an Irish family living in England back then.

The Irish were treated like crap and only ever got the shit jobs and were always vilified for their heritage.

There used to be a muse about the signs out out the front of shops/pubs in England that said:

No Blacks
No Irish
No Dogs


So if you were a Black Irish Wolfhound you had no hope

 

[xenophon]

But in the 6 counties, they had millions of the bloody things so if they can leave it alone and sit down together then so can Brighton. However, chicken suppers all round then.

I can give you my opinion as an British/Irish dual national, and ex-British soldier who's father also served 29 years in the RUC right through the darkest days of the troubles. Is that qualification enough for you? Anyway, for what it's worth, I can assure you that if ANY bomber/killer from either side of NI's troubles thought he could attend a memorial to the people he fragged there you're sorely mistaken.

I'd like to see the Shankill Road bomber Sean Kelly paying his respects at Frizzell's chip shop for instance; and to to be even-handed, I'd like to see "Trick or treat" killer Torrens Knight try to pay his respects alongside the families of the catholics (and two protestants) he slaughtered in Greysteel to avenge the Shankill bomb. You're very naive if you think people in the six counties "can leave it alone" - the killings have stopped (apart from the two soldiers killed recently, nice touch BTW by Celtic "fans" leaving pizza boxes on their seats at Ibrox "In memorial" for that one, reminiscent of "chicken suppers" no? But that's another story), but the problems are still seething away underneath. It HAS NOT gone away, and sectarianism is alive and well in Ulster.

The main problem with the Troubles is this - there are 1.5 million people living in NI, and you'll get 1.5 million different versions of who did what to who, who's right and who's wrong. ALL of them will have a degree of truth in their version, just as ALL of them will have some bullshit mixed in with the truth. That's how it is, and that's from someone who grew up there and had a family on the frontline.

The point here is that however much SOME relatives may have forgiven this particular scum bastard, I'm sure more people would be deeply upset if he showed up at any memorial. The majority of people in NI, on both sides, loathe these bastards for what they've done to us, NI, and the mainland. When I was a soldier in London I had to fight off Royal Marines outside a fast food shop after the Deal bombing when they heard my accent, even though I was a British soldier myself I was still a "dirty fenian bastard". You can blame most of that anti-Irish attitude on the actions on the IRA, not what the British government did in NI, who, by international standards (look at Israel) were restrained in the extreme. There were civil rights issues and discrimination against catholics before the last Troubles, but that in no way justifies terrorism of any sort. To kill is wrong, indiscriminate killing is worse, and leaving a bomb ticking in a large seaside hotel goes beyond callous, Magee is scum, no argument. And unrepentative scum at that.

f*** Magee, I'd be more than disappointed if he was to appear at a remembrance that should never be taking place in the first place, and wouldn't be, if the dirty little bastard didn't do his stuff back in 1984.

 

[Brovion]

I did read your post thanks. You said:

But for the rest of us, especially the younger ones who weren't even born, - don't you think there should be a level of 'moving on' and reconciliation? After all it was 25 years ago, it's the equivalent of hating the Germans and Japanese in 1970 25 years after the end of WW2.

and,

I on the other hand couldn't share what for me was second-hand hatred.

Therefore my point is simple, so long as the enlightened generations who are 'moving on' are completely comfortable with what went on in those days then that's fine. The Japs are an interesting case in point thought aren't they what with their lack of recognition for their atrocities, airbrushing their part in WW2 from their school history books etc.

Seems to me that there are plenty amongst the younger generations who are not moving on, certainly the paddies, jocks and taffs all have plenty of baggage about British history beyond 25 years, not forgetting our recent guests who have their beefs with the British Empire from slavery to partition of the sub continent.

Looking further afield dont forget those ridiculous historical grudges (i.e. over 25yrs) held by the Arabs, Jews, Bosnians, Basques, Croats, Serbs, Ukranians, Chechens, Armenians, Greeks, Native Indians, Aborigines, Incas, Aztecs etc etc............if only they could just all move on, life could be more like a Coke advert wouldn't it be great.......................y'know..................I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony etc etc.

Well you may have read it but you didn't understand it. I said there are always going to be people with personal reasons who don't want to 'move on' and I quite understand any one who doesn't. However despite the views of many individuals by 1970 'we' Britain, the nation didn't 'hate' the Germans and the Japanese and we were trying to move forward rather than saying "well we're not going to deal with the Germans because they bombed Coventry."

And yes, I fully accept that worldwide there are many, many examples of not so much 'second-hand' hatred as hundredth-hand hatred being passed down the generatons. And with each year and with every new conflict this cesspit of hatred grows as different people find new reasons to hate another group of people. Now call me a lentil-eating, sandal-wearing hippy peacenik if you like but I think any potential chance to defuse some of this real or just ritual hatred is a 'good thing'.

 

[User removed 4]

I can give you my opinion as an British/Irish dual national, and ex-British soldier who's father also served 29 years in the RUC right through the darkest days of the troubles. Is that qualification enough for you? Anyway, for what it's worth, I can assure you that if ANY bomber/killer from either side of NI's troubles thought he could attend a memorial to the people he fragged there you're sorely mistaken.

I'd like to see the Shankill Road bomber Sean Kelly paying his respects at Frizzell's chip shop for instance; and to to be even-handed, I'd like to see "Trick or treat" killer Torrens Knight try to pay his respects alongside the families of the catholics (and two protestants) he slaughtered in Greysteel to avenge the Shankill bomb. You're very naive if you think people in the six counties "can leave it alone" - the killings have stopped (apart from the two soldiers killed recently, nice touch BTW by Celtic "fans" leaving pizza boxes on their seats at Ibrox "In memorial" for that one, reminiscent of "chicken suppers" no? But that's another story), but the problems are still seething away underneath. It HAS NOT gone away, and sectarianism is alive and well in Ulster.

The main problem with the Troubles is this - there are 1.5 million people living in NI, and you'll get 1.5 million different versions of who did what to who, who's right and who's wrong. ALL of them will have a degree of truth in their version, just as ALL of them will have some bullshit mixed in with the truth. That's how it is, and that's from someone who grew up there and had a family on the frontline.

The point here is that however much SOME relatives may have forgiven this particular scum bastard, I'm sure more people would be deeply upset if he showed up at any memorial. The majority of people in NI, on both sides, loathe these bastards for what they've done to us, NI, and the mainland. When I was a soldier in London I had to fight off Royal Marines outside a fast food shop after the Deal bombing when they heard my accent, even though I was a British soldier myself I was still a "dirty fenian bastard". You can blame most of that anti-Irish attitude on the actions on the IRA, not what the British government did in NI, who, by international standards (look at Israel) were restrained in the extreme. There were civil rights issues and discrimination against catholics before the last Troubles, but that in no way justifies terrorism of any sort. To kill is wrong, indiscriminate killing is worse, and leaving a bomb ticking in a large seaside hotel goes beyond callous, Magee is scum, no argument. And unrepentative scum at that.

f*** Magee, I'd be more than disappointed if he was to appear at a remembrance that should never be taking place in the first place, and wouldn't be, if the dirty little bastard didn't do his stuff back in 1984.

I defy anyone,( especially professional member of the irish diaspora tyrone biggums) to argue against or find fault with this post.