[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

He benefits from having some understanding and knowledge of the issues, which unfortunately for you, trumps doing an occasional google search so you can try and pretend (epic fail) you know what you are talking about

Anyway, more important matters to consider now ...

I spent the first half of my career in Financial Services including a number of very successful years at the UK's third biggest bank which resulted in me getting head hunted into a role in the UK's largest Bank (Barclays is sixth - you can probably look it up on Google).

I doubt very much whether you remember, but there was actually a world before google. I guess you've just never been very lucky at thinking

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Which British car should we buy ? Robin Reliant?

Take your pick. They are all British workers being supported by these.

How about keeping our guys and girls in jobs first

https://www.admiral.com/magazine/guides/motor/best-new-cars-made-in-Britain

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

January's highlights:
Nissan: Commits to UK
JCB: 400 new jobs
Rolls-Royce: £90m testbed
Lotus: 250 new jobs
Bombardier: Huge export order
What More: £20m investment
Fernite: New factory
MBDA: £550m MoD order
Bentley: Record sales
Norton: New factory

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/status/1355770893138591747

Good news is bad news
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I spent the first half of my career in Financial Services including a number of very successful years at the UK's third biggest bank which resulted in me getting head hunted into a role in the UK's largest Bank (Barclays is sixth - you can probably look it up on Google).

I doubt very much whether you remember, but there was actually a world before google. I guess you've just never been very lucky at thinking

With the size of your head you wouldn"t have been missed chunky , frantically trying to justify yourself doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid.
Regards
DF

 

[Is it PotG?]

I spent the first half of my career in Financial Services including a number of very successful years at the UK's third biggest bank which resulted in me getting head hunted into a role in the UK's largest Bank (Barclays is sixth - you can probably look it up on Google).

I doubt very much whether you remember, but there was actually a world before google. I guess you've just never been very lucky at thinking :

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The gift that keeps on giving
Regards
DF

 

[Randy McNob]

Take your pick. They are all British workers being supported by these.

How about keeping our guys and girls in jobs first

https://www.admiral.com/magazine/guides/motor/best-new-cars-made-in-Britain

If you wanted to protect jobs in the motor industry you would oppose Brexit. We export 80% of the cars we make, half to the EU. We had to bung Nissan 80 Mil and they still sacked people, the Honda plant had to stop as they couldn't get the parts in time.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I noticed the usual Brexity trash rags were getting excited over this. Spouting the usual anti German xenophobic drivel for their gullible readership. Cadbury isn't even a genuine British company as its owned by US multi national Mondelez. Cadbury paid no corporation tax in Britain in 2018 despite reporting a local profit £185m. Cadbury is moving back to UK as that is where the majority of their market is. Fair enough. Truth is, few in the rest of Europe buy Cadbury products. They are considered mass produced shite with too many additives. There are far superior locally sourced products in Germany, Belgium and elsewhere that conform to higher standards of production. Pesky red tape and all that. Until around 20 years ago Cadbury chocolate wasn't even allowed to be marketed as chocolate due to its excessive vegetable fat content. A compromise was reached over the reduction of vegetable fat content after a long running dispute.

As confirmed, the move won't create one single new job aside some extra hours for part timers and seasonal workers. It will have little effect on the local Mondelez production centre at Bludenz which also produces the Milka range amongst other products. A disappointment for Express and Mail 'readers' who thought they were giving Germany and Merkel one in the eye. Or it would have been had they even managed to get the country correct. The Mondelez Production plant is indeed located in Bludenz....in Austria! Never let a misplaced country get in the way of a spot of jingoistic dog whistle.

https://youtu.be/Cb7nmVyTjgM
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://youtu.be/AzKBbLycRx4
Regards
DF

 

[Randy McNob]

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[Pretty pink fairy]

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https://youtu.be/8c5xp5URlfw
Good old femi
Regards
DF

 

[Randy McNob]

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[Lincoln Imp]

David Green's excellent Law & Policy Blog touches on Brexit this week. It makes some points I see as fundamental. I reproduce it here simply to add to the debate. I am sure Pastafarian, JCFG and others will have a view.


Sovereignty – why the question needs to keep on being asked of Brexit as to how any of this is worthwhile
7th February 2021

The front cover of the Observer this morning provides some indication of what the United Kingdom is doing to itself in respect of its botched endeavour of Brexit.

Tomorrow’s front page pic.twitter.com/5CD5XAaZT6

— The Observer (@ObserverUK) February 6, 2021

As Michael Gove himself could well put it: this country appears to have had enough of exports.

Elsewhere are news reports of the realisation of Northern Irish unionists that the manner of this Brexit means that there is now a trade barrier down the Irish Sea.

Even the fishermen and fisherwomen, in whose names the very last stand of this government's Brexit negotiation strategy was made, are unhappy.

Day by day, news report by news report, the true nature of Brexit is becoming apparent.

There will be deflections and misdirections from those who supported and urged through this government's approach to Brexit.

And, to the annoyance and frustration of those who opposed either Brexit in principle or this government's Brexit policy in particular, these deflections and misdirections will in good part stick.

There will be no grand 'oh gosh' moment when all those responsible for this folly will admit to it having been a folly.

But.

This does not mean that those who are watching this folly unfold should be silent.

*

For the question that needs to keep on being asked - whether one is against Brexit in principle or this government's Brexit policy in particular - is simple:

How is any of this worthwhile?

Or alternatively:

What is the point of Brexit?

This is not a complaint from principle but from practice - regardless of one's view of membership of the European Union, those responsible for the United Kingdom's post-Brexit policy are still required to justify what they are doing.

*

The answer from Brexit supporters to the question of why any of this is worthwhile seems to be one word: 'sovereignty'.

All these disruptions and all these reversals are supposed to be worth it, because of 'sovereignty'.

But, as this blog has previously averred, the United Kingdom had sovereignty all along.

That is why the United Kingdom was able to decide to leave the European Union, and that is why parliament was able to repeal the European Communities Act 1972.

Sovereignty was never lost.

And to the extent that the United Kingdom was bound by international rules and decisions, this was (and is) no different in principle to the obligations that the United Kingdom has under NATO, or the World Trade Organisation, or the United Nations.

Though curiously, many of those in favour of Brexit are at ease with our obligations in respect of those international organisation, and even boast of trading under 'WTO rules' or of the United Kingdom's permanent membership of the UN security council.

One could even say that Brexit is nothing actually to do with 'sovereignty' (with or without scare quotes) and more to do with hostility to the 'E' word, Europe.

What Brexit certainly has little to do with in practice is the supremacy of parliament - indeed under the cloak of Brexit, the United Kingdom government is seeking to legislate as much as possible by executive action.

Powers are being taken away by Whitehall from Westminster rather than from Brussels.

Even on the one topic on which the current government has struck lucky - and that was more by chance than design - it was possible under European Union law for the United Kingdom to procure the AstraZeneca vaccine on its own terms.

And, indeed at the time, the United Kingdom was still subject to European Union law under the transition arrangements.

*

No assertions - however loud - about Brexit in practice being justified by 'sovereignty' in principle add up with a moment's thought.

Not one incident of Brexit so far has shown any value of Brexit as an exercise in regaining 'sovereignty'.

And this is not so much because Brexiters are wrong to prioritise sovereignty above everything else - but because none of this is really about sovereignty in the first place.

Like some character in an ancient myth or a folklore tale, the United Kingdom has chosen to bring destruction upon itself in supposed pursuit of a thing it had already.

 

[vegster]

David Green's excellent Law & Policy Blog touches on Brexit this week. It makes some points I see as fundamental. I reproduce it here simply to add to the debate. I am sure Pastafarian, JCFG and others will have a view.


Sovereignty – why the question needs to keep on being asked of Brexit as to how any of this is worthwhile
7th February 2021

The front cover of the Observer this morning provides some indication of what the United Kingdom is doing to itself in respect of its botched endeavour of Brexit.

Tomorrow’s front page pic.twitter.com/5CD5XAaZT6

— The Observer (@ObserverUK) February 6, 2021

As Michael Gove himself could well put it: this country appears to have had enough of exports.

Elsewhere are news reports of the realisation of Northern Irish unionists that the manner of this Brexit means that there is now a trade barrier down the Irish Sea.

Even the fishermen and fisherwomen, in whose names the very last stand of this government's Brexit negotiation strategy was made, are unhappy.

Day by day, news report by news report, the true nature of Brexit is becoming apparent.

There will be deflections and misdirections from those who supported and urged through this government's approach to Brexit.

And, to the annoyance and frustration of those who opposed either Brexit in principle or this government's Brexit policy in particular, these deflections and misdirections will in good part stick.

There will be no grand 'oh gosh' moment when all those responsible for this folly will admit to it having been a folly.

But.

This does not mean that those who are watching this folly unfold should be silent.

*

For the question that needs to keep on being asked - whether one is against Brexit in principle or this government's Brexit policy in particular - is simple:

How is any of this worthwhile?

Or alternatively:

What is the point of Brexit?

This is not a complaint from principle but from practice - regardless of one's view of membership of the European Union, those responsible for the United Kingdom's post-Brexit policy are still required to justify what they are doing.

*

The answer from Brexit supporters to the question of why any of this is worthwhile seems to be one word: 'sovereignty'.

All these disruptions and all these reversals are supposed to be worth it, because of 'sovereignty'.

But, as this blog has previously averred, the United Kingdom had sovereignty all along.

That is why the United Kingdom was able to decide to leave the European Union, and that is why parliament was able to repeal the European Communities Act 1972.

Sovereignty was never lost.

And to the extent that the United Kingdom was bound by international rules and decisions, this was (and is) no different in principle to the obligations that the United Kingdom has under NATO, or the World Trade Organisation, or the United Nations.

Though curiously, many of those in favour of Brexit are at ease with our obligations in respect of those international organisation, and even boast of trading under 'WTO rules' or of the United Kingdom's permanent membership of the UN security council.

One could even say that Brexit is nothing actually to do with 'sovereignty' (with or without scare quotes) and more to do with hostility to the 'E' word, Europe.

What Brexit certainly has little to do with in practice is the supremacy of parliament - indeed under the cloak of Brexit, the United Kingdom government is seeking to legislate as much as possible by executive action.

Powers are being taken away by Whitehall from Westminster rather than from Brussels.

Even on the one topic on which the current government has struck lucky - and that was more by chance than design - it was possible under European Union law for the United Kingdom to procure the AstraZeneca vaccine on its own terms.

And, indeed at the time, the United Kingdom was still subject to European Union law under the transition arrangements.

*

No assertions - however loud - about Brexit in practice being justified by 'sovereignty' in principle add up with a moment's thought.

Not one incident of Brexit so far has shown any value of Brexit as an exercise in regaining 'sovereignty'.

And this is not so much because Brexiters are wrong to prioritise sovereignty above everything else - but because none of this is really about sovereignty in the first place.

Like some character in an ancient myth or a folklore tale, the United Kingdom has chosen to bring destruction upon itself in supposed pursuit of a thing it had already.

I don't think the usual suspects have an answer...

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I don't think the usual suspects have an answer...

Answers or not, it would be nice to have rational views. Let's hope we get more than a ppf video.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I don't think the usual suspects have an answer...

I could have a go at trying a bit of whataboutism, or trying to find a spelling mistake in your original post if it would help (to totally replace their total contributions of the last 4 weeks)

 

[Deleted member 2719]

If you wanted to protect jobs in the motor industry you would oppose Brexit. We export 80% of the cars we make, half to the EU. We had to bung Nissan 80 Mil and they still sacked people, the Honda plant had to stop as they couldn't get the parts in time.

Randy, we could just buy Uk built cars, we import far too many from the EU. The EU stick together and so should the Brits.

The new car market is upside down.

It's time for a change in Britain and that is why it was democratically voted for.

I struggle to believe this thread is still here when we voted out nearly 5 years ago.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I could have a go at trying a bit of whataboutism, or trying to find a spelling mistake in your original post if it would help (to totally replace their total contributions of the last 4 weeks)

The Brexit thought-leaders on the thread are at this moment in conference, trying to select the killer video to blow these arguments clean out of the water.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Randy, we could just buy Uk built cars, we import far too many from the EU. The EU stick together and so should the Brits.

The new car market is upside down.

It's time for a change in Britain and that is why it was democratically voted for.

I struggle to believe this thread is still here when we voted out nearly 5 years ago.

I suspect that you struggle with rather a lot of things, including the whole concept of international trade. We tend to import stuff that we either don't make or that others make cheaper and better. Then we export other stuff to them. If we want to export more than we import then we need to start getting better at making stuff. If we simply stop buying their stuff then we will

a) be paying more for our own stuff

b) provoke them into not buying our stuff

This is called a trade war and was the reason why there was the grand-daddy of all recessions before the war.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Answers or not, it would be nice to have rational views. Let's hope we get more than a ppf video.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e--march-a-very-british-rebellion-in-the-rain
Move on !
Regards
DF