[Politics] Brexit

[Stat Brother]

Take 8 & 9 away and you have described communism [emoji23]

Dear god please, please, tell me you aren't so stupid you're yet to work out Fascism and Communism are 2 sides of the same coin.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

What a feckin surprise.

One subject:-
Petrol

Add 3 words:-
No
Deal
&
Brexit

Spew it into google and guess what it equals

One shiteshow

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270




I'm not a huge fan of Farrage but...
Doesn't half read like 'I'm not a Nazi but ..'. [emoji38]

Anyone who doesn't brim all their vehicle tanks, and stockpile fuel ( to the legal maximum ) before Oct/Jan 31st is a fished-in, gullible idiot.

*Fuel up if you think it's over.*

 

[Hugo Rune]

Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?

Having driven up the M20 recently, it’s clear the government are getting ready our ports to be royally ****ed. One would assume that any fuel shortages would be due to transportation issues. ‘Good Point’ & Farage don’t sit that neatly together if you are thoughtful and take more than 10 seconds to consider what he has said.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Or people could have said 'OK, we're leaving. Let's get a brains trust to get the best possible cross-party deal'. Corbyn would not have had to change sides every 5 minutes then.

And, in what way do you think this 'best possible deal' would differ from Theresa May's deal ?

 

[Simster]

I think you are missing the point. 75% of MP's want us to remain.

& they have decided that we are going to remain.

The haven't admitted it, they cry out for a deal which they can, by a majority, support. - Knowing that there is no such thing and there never will be.

The same people who are crying out for that deal, if one where to ever come along, would refuse to support it.

When they say "we want Brexit, just not this Brexit, and just not that Brexit", they are playing a game. We are not fooled any longer.

No point being missed here. None of that is true - look at what happened.

* The vote happened - leave won
* The Tory party decided there and then that they alone were running the show. May called an election in order to strengthen her hand but didn't bother campaigning for it - just saying "if you don't vote for us, you'll get that nasty Jeremy Corbyn" was going to have to do.
* Tory party loses it's majority and stay in power by shamefully bribing Northern Ireland with a £1bn bribe from the magic money tree, then being beholden to the Brexit supporting DUP, in stark contrast to Northern Irish views.
* Tory-only negotiations start, ERG-backed clowns insisting that it all meant we HAD to leave the single market, we HAD to leave the customs union and Northern Ireland HAD to be treated the same way as Great Britain. To stamp our authority on proceedings, we had David Davies walking into negotiations apparently armed with a pencil and a notepad up against an army of EU lawyers.
* EU refuse to be bullied. No deal negotiated.

Now fast forward and we have Johnson in charge - a bullying populist moron who got in by promising we'd leave on 31/10. There was no plan to make that happen, so he's tried acting like a dictator. MPs aren't having it, including many Tories to their immense credit.

None of that means we're not leaving the EU. We should, and it should be a Brexit that leaves us with sensible trading relations vis a vis the EU. If the Brexit Party don't like it, they can carry on campaigning to harden those arrangements. If the LDs/SNP don't like it, they can continue to campaign getting us back in.

 

[narly101]

Excellent - so we'll get our petrol from Russia, and chicken from the US. Whats not to worry about?

 

[Is it PotG?]

And, in what way do you think this 'best possible deal' would differ from Theresa May's deal ?

No idea, that's why we have 'experts'. Not sure what you do for a job, but I am certainly not qualified to negotiate a Brexit deal.

There are loads on NSC though.

 

[Stat Brother]

Excellent - so we'll get our petrol from Russia, and chicken from the US. Whats not to worry about?

We'll have to save money and get them in the same container?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

No idea, that's why we have 'experts'. Not sure what you do for a job, but I am certainly not qualified to negotiate a Brexit deal.

There are loads on NSC though.

but I am certainly not qualified to negotiate a Brexit deal

sounds like you would fit right into the team.

 

[Stat Brother]

No idea, that's why we have 'experts'. Not sure what you do for a job, but I am certainly not qualified to negotiate a Brexit deal.

I'll hazard a guess you're more qualified than David Davies.

 

[Is it PotG?]

But I am certainly not qualified to negotiate a Brexit deal.

Sounds like you would fit right into the team.

Indeed. As I said, I'm not qualified.

 

[Gwylan]

I agree completely with the above. I am guessing that when you said earlier that a cross-party negotiating team could have done better, I am assuming you mean in getting an agreed deal through parliament, as I don't think they could have negotiated anything significantly different to TM's deal for the reasons above.

No, there's lots more that could have been done. They could have stayed in EFTA/EEA, agreed a CU, stayed in the single market - or some variations of these. The EU would have been happy with that approach and, while there'd be a lot of mutterings from ERG and some on Labour's left, there'd have been enough consensus to get it through parliament.

 

[pb21]

No idea, that's why we have 'experts'. Not sure what you do for a job, but I am certainly not qualified to negotiate a Brexit deal.

There are loads on NSC though.

So if you dont know what a good deal is, how do you know one is possible to come up with in two years, or are you just assuming?

 

[dingodan]

It's very simple then. There are three realistic options, Soft Brexit with a deal, Hard Brexit with no deal and Remain. Take it away from the MPs, put the three options to the people and let them decide.

I agree with you completely, let the people take back democracy

It's not simple at all. If you could get agreement that we should have a second vote on Brexit, and there are some very basic reasons why that would be wrong, but if you could start down that path, those same MP's will not agree on what the terms of the vote are. I admire the fact that you would allow no deal to be on the ballet. Well MP's wouldn't allow it. It would be "Soft Brexit" (with terms which would go against the principle things people voted for, i.e. leaving the CU, the SM, the ECJ etc) or Remain, and that is the only vote they would ever allow.

Don't you get it? We are not allowed to leave the EU. We were asked on the basis that we were expected to give the "right answer".

We are not allowed to leave. It's not up to us.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

17M+ voters cheated. This is not the end, but trust in our politicians is at a BIG FAT ZERO now.

Why don't these politicians just tell the truth, they have no intention of us ever leaving the EU.

Same old flannel to cover up their own self interests, 65% of the constituencies in this country voted leave FACT
regards
DE

 

[Bold Seagull]

Tories are in a tight spot, do a deal with Farage and campaign on a toxic no deal which has a narrow appeal or getting their vote split by having the Brexit around

The notable thing about the Tories is they offer young people absolutely nothing, they need to get off their backsides to keep Boris out of power

I don't think they care. I think they've made their calculations on the strength of the hardline leave vote, and they're prepared to burn the Tory party as we know it, and anything else to get their way.

People need to wake up to this being about far more than just Brexit. This is a hardline takeover from the right, a right that even Thatcher was well left of.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Great evening of viewing the wheels on the Johnson bandwagon falling off. Also good to see the vile Cummings getting a kicking from his own side. For all the talk of the dysfunctionality of the Commons, in many ways this is Parliament at its finest, with (some) people of integrity and calibre coming together to transcend party ties.

 

[Is it PotG?]

So if you dont know what a good deal is, how do you know one is possible to come up with in two years, or are you just assuming?

What is your definition of 'good'?

 

[WATFORD zero]

No idea, that's why we have 'experts'. Not sure what you do for a job, but I am certainly not qualified to negotiate a Brexit deal.

There are loads on NSC though.

Don't worry, you're not alone.

In the 3 and a bit years since the referendum, No-one in Government, Parliament, on NSC or indeed, anywhere in the world has managed to define what a 'good deal' that would benefit Britain, protect the EU's single market and meet Britain's red lines, would look like.

There are two possibilities.

1. It is so complicated that no-one can define it.
2. It was a complete fantasy that never existed but was invented by the Leave campaign to take in gullible voters.

Hope this has helped

 

[Is it PotG?]

Don't worry, you're not alone.

In the 3 and a bit years since the referendum, No-one in Government, Parliament, on NSC or indeed, anywhere in the world has managed to define what a 'good deal' would look like.

There are two possibilities.

1. It is so complicated that no-one can define it.
2. It was a complete fantasy that never existed but was invented by the Leave campaign to take in gullible voters.

Hope this has helped

Cheers. You are quite smart, aren't you?