[Politics] Brexit

[Is it PotG?]

The lying ***** have been found out. Even by Brexiteers now, and guess who is whinging the loudest.

Well, you can stop now.

 

[Mellotron]

And people still refer to him as 'Boris' like a cuddly, benign cartoon figure delivering a village its morning post.

The media exercises control over people's psychology in such conspicuous yet mesmerising ways.

Boris Johnson is known as “Boris” - affectionate
Jeremy Corbyn is known as “Corbyn” - certainly more stand offish.

People don’t see how they’re being manipulated in subtle ways.

 

[Is it PotG?]

It's amazing people thought it would work after the referendum result.

I hope it all turns out as simple and straightforward as you envisage.

 

[Stat Brother]

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They are all a bunch of liars
Dingodan is correct, it's pretty much over in my book.

How stupid of me to think our politicians would listen to the views of people.

What is 'over'? Politics? What will you replace it with?

That was one of the most silly posts on the whole thread. I bet you thought both your parents were ******** when they sent you to bed early for being petulant.

 

[Grombleton]

I hope it all turns out as simple and straightforward as you envisage.

Oh of course it won't. As I said a few replies back, there was never going to be a result that pleases everyone.

 

[Is it PotG?]

People don’t see how they’re being manipulated in subtle ways.

Yet only the wise, responsible and learned folk can spot it. Thank heavens they're here to save us.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?

 

[vegster]

4-0 away to Man City was not a shameful result. 4-0 to Jeremy Corbyn is akin to our performance against Bournemouth.

The problem for Johnson is going to be that the strategy Cummings has given him is based on lying. He has to lie about the reasons for proroguing parliament, he has to lie to parliament saying that he is trying to negotiate a deal when he isn't, he has to lie about not wanting a general election, but having his hand forced. He now has to lie about not understanding why Labour stopped him having the election he says he doesn't want.

Now a lot of politics is about having your truth, not necessarily the truth believed. Both Cameron and Blair could get away with spin because they could be convincing liars when the need arose. Johnson is not a convincing liar and even his supporters' biggest concern about him is that he has an unavoidable reputation for dishonesty that has followed him throughout both his professional and his personal life. Giving him a strategy based on dishonesty simply highlights everyone's major concern about him.

I was never a big fan of Cameron but he could constructively argue his case against tough questioning without being rattled, Johnson on the other hand, tends to lash out verbally or go off on a tangent when he is challenged and feels under threat. From what I heard of his first PMQ's yesterday he was a disaster.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

All this fuss about No Deal shows how much politicians have put themselves ahead of the UK. I'm no fan of Boris, any more than any politician from local councillors upwards, but a negotiator needs a bargaining chip. Boris had only one, to threaten to leave with No Deal and keep the alimony from the divorce. Obviously with No Deal off the table, the EU will have us by the short and curlies. Unfortunately, our politicians of all colours have chosen to regard the threat as a given to serve their own political interests - Tories who want a more powerful job in Government, Labour to bring down the Government and put John McDonnell in as PM to lead us to a socialist disaster, the others to get a tiny foothold of influence for their own ends. God, we are screwed!

 

[Igzilla]

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The loony hard Brexiteers will now just view The Financial Times as a hotbed of snowflake, lefty traitors.

 

[Simster]

Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?

Presumably because of the massive backlog at customs created by a no deal Brexit. Probably best get advice from the experts on this matter than listen to lying chancers like Farridge though. Or are we still concluding that we're better served by clueless lying idiots than the experts after three years of mismanagement?

 

[vegster]

Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?

There was talk that one or two foreign owned refineries might close as they would become unprofitable once we leave the EU and trade, ie movement of profits, becomes harder. Losing two refineries would lower the amount of petrol and diesel refined leading to shortages...….Shortages made worse by the great British Public's tendency to be selfish and panic buy.

 

[daveinplzen]

Well, you can stop now.

Im certainly not whinging. Trust me on that but I am enjoying the entertainment of Brexiteers getting their knickers in a bunch.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

What is 'over'? Politics? What will you replace it with?

That was one of the most silly posts on the whole thread. I bet you thought both your parents were ******** when they sent you to bed early for being petulant.

Pardon? What did you say about my parents?

 

[pb21]

Let's just say for one moment, it doesn't happen and we bow to our Euromasters ad perpetuum.The evident frustration and anger with Leavers is not likely to simply dissipate overnight, and if anything will be augmented. Political parties with no place in a settled, calm post-Brexit will find support in a splintered society alas. On a day when Carney confounds all of the monetary experts on NSC, I just find it all a little bewildering.

https://news.sky.com/story/bank-no-deal-brexit-not-as-bad-as-we-predicted-11802146

Whats confounding about:

GDP falling by 5.5%
Unemployment increasing by 7%
Inflation peaking at 5.25%
food bills rising

Also the reason the impacts have lessened is because of:

Advancements In preparations for a No Deal No Transition scenario mean that the Bank's assessment of a worst case No Deal No Transition scenarios has become less severe

Anyone would think that waiting at least another few months before we leave with no deal to allow for more preparations and therefore lessen the impact further would be a good thing?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

All this fuss about No Deal shows how much politicians have put themselves ahead of the UK. I'm no fan of Boris, any more than any politician from local councillors upwards, but a negotiator needs a bargaining chip. Boris had only one, to threaten to leave with No Deal and keep the alimony from the divorce. Obviously with No Deal off the table, the EU will have us by the short and curlies. Unfortunately, our politicians of all colours have chosen to regard the threat as a given to serve their own political interests - Tories who want a more powerful job in Government, Labour to bring down the Government and put John McDonnell in as PM to lead us to a socialist disaster, the others to get a tiny foothold of influence for their own ends. God, we are screwed!

Doesnt work for a number of reasons

The EU would be affected by a no deal, however we will be 10 times more affected they know this as unlike our Government they have prepared - also new deals with Canada and Japan offset some of the damage - so how is that a threat?

We would still need to negotiate with the EU after, I am sure they would love us to be in a much weaker position when that starts which a no deal would supply.

The EU have TVs, they can see people like Boris saying "the EU have to believe we are going to walk away" they know its a bluff.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Whats confounding about:

GDP falling by 5.5%
Unemployment increasing by 7%
Inflation peaking at 5.25%
food bills rising

Also the reason the impacts have lessened is because of:

Advancements In preparations for a No Deal No Transition scenario mean that the Bank's assessment of a worst case No Deal No Transition scenarios has become less severe

Anyone would think that waiting at least another few months before we leave with no deal to allow for more preparations and therefore lessen the impact further would be a good thing?

But we're not having No Deal. So all of the preparations and money spent has been wasted, could have been used elsewhere.

 

[Stat Brother]

Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?

What a feckin surprise.

One subject:-
Petrol

Add 3 words:-
No
Deal
&
Brexit

Spew it into google and guess what it equals

One shiteshow

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270




I'm not a huge fan of Farrage but...
Doesn't half read like 'I'm not a Nazi but ..'.

 

[ManOfSussex]

There was talk that one or two foreign owned refineries might close as they would become unprofitable once we leave the EU and trade, ie movement of profits, becomes harder. Losing two refineries would lower the amount of petrol and diesel refined leading to shortages...….Shortages made worse by the great British Public's tendency to be selfish and panic buy.

The Operation Yellowhammer leaks stated that import tariffs on fuel lowered to 0% would lead to the 2 refinery closures and the loss of 2000 jobs and subsequent strike action would exacerbate supplies, traffic queues in London and the south east would also hit deliveries and 'customer behavior' would lead to shortages elsewhere in the country.

In fairness to Farage, you can't expect him to know any of this - these are details and it would have required him actually reading the Operation Yellowhammer leaks and becoming informed.