[Politics] Brexit

[BigGully]

Can someone please spare a thought for poor old @Bakerlite, he really thought he was " On his Way " so it must be very painful for him at the moment.

He will take some solace from you feeling 'bewildered, sad and forlorn' for the past three years ................................

 

[Bold Seagull]

Maybe rather than acting like spoilt children they can now actually sit down like grown ups and sort a deal out that pleases the majority. ( All sides that is )

We can live in hope that happens.

 

[vegster]

He knows exactly what he’s doing, even if Labour has voted for a second referendum instead of abstaining, it would have failed, its simple mathematics.
There will be another vote in the future for a second referendum, with more chance of winning.
Patience, people.

Precisely, we have to undergo a very long and tortuous road in order to eliminate all other options until we come up against the only realistic solution,putting it back to the people.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It’s all been a circus to remain, they probably planned the whole thing. For me what gave it away was when May didn’t pop along and see the queen after being humiliated the first time. I suppose the remainers must be happy with corruption running the country.

Corruption has been running the country for decades. Some worse than others.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Hang on a second...you seriously think the EU have absolutely been whiter than white in this entire saga?!! That's about THE most stupid thing I've heard if so and there have been some contenders. Of course the EU have made life difficult, it's in their interests and power to do so after all.

That isn't what I said. Brexit is British.

 

[ManOfSussex]

He knows exactly what he’s doing, even if Labour has voted for a second referendum instead of abstaining, it would have failed, its simple mathematics.
There will be another vote in the future for a second referendum, with more chance of winning.
Patience, people.

Exactly. The only one that stands a chance is the Kyle/Wilson amendment which can only happen if the WA can't pass and Common Market 2.0 etc is all ruled out.

Neither of them voted for it today either.

 

[lawros left foot]

It’s all been a circus to remain, they probably planned the whole thing. For me what gave it away was when May didn’t pop along and see the queen after being humiliated the first time. I suppose the remainers must be happy with corruption running the country.

A lot of the reason we’re in this mess, is down to Leaver Politicians winning a referendum, but having no plans to implement the result. They had the chance to implement their vision of Brexit, but the cupboard was bare , so they cut and ran.
Johnson was Foreign Secretary and Davis was Brexit Secretary, after May the two most important posts in the Brexit procedure and they bottled it.

 

[vegster]

It’s all been a circus to remain, they probably planned the whole thing. For me what gave it away was when May didn’t pop along and see the queen after being humiliated the first time. I suppose the remainers must be happy with corruption running the country.

David Davis is being paid the equivalent of £3,000 an hour to give advice to the board of pro Leave company JCB, he will be " Working " 20 hours a year for this money. just repeat to yourself " David Davis 20 hours work a year" and ask yourself what magical inside knowledge he has to command that fee ? There is your corruption.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

they [the EU] have made life difficult for us.

They clearly haven’t. And idiots like yourself are why I believe people should now have to prove they are mentally fit and able to vote.

 

[Notters]

It’s all been a circus to remain, they probably planned the whole thing. For me what gave it away was when May didn’t pop along and see the queen after being humiliated the first time. I suppose the remainers must be happy with corruption running the country.

The only thing proven to be corrupt at this stage is vote leave.

 

[BBassic]

I just don't understand the logic of when we decided to invoke Article 50. This entire two year shitshow could have been mitigated, if not avoided, if someone had had the common sense to work out the deal BEFORE finger f**king the big red Article 50 button like a horny teenager left in a room of washed up pornstars.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Hang on a second...you seriously think the EU have absolutely been whiter than white in this entire saga?!! That's about THE most stupid thing I've heard if so and there have been some contenders. Of course the EU have made life difficult, it's in their interests and power to do so after all.

What in particular have they done that you would cite as examples?

I don't have enough detail really on what they've done to know how hard they've negotiated. With what May went with, I don't know that they've crumbled on quite a lot to give us what we have?

 

[nicko31]

Trump thinks a 2nd ref is a bad idea. Maybe it is gaining credibility....

 

[Bold Seagull]

I just don't understand the logic of when we decided to invoke Article 50. This entire two year shitshow could have been mitigated, if not avoided, if someone had had the common sense to work out the deal BEFORE finger f**king the big red Article 50 button like a horny teenager left in a room of washed up pornstars.

All about the Conservatives protecting themselves in Government. By triggering it as soon as possible, any subsequent election was always going to favour the party that started negotiations. They thought they'd get it started, wait a year, get a bigger majority in a general election, then deliver whatever they wanted. No matter what anyone says, Corbyn's result in the GE absolutely crushed them. They've never recovered, and still plough on with blinkers blinding them to the basic lack of numbers they have in the house.

 

[raymondo]

Boris was doing what Boris does. Promoting himself and trying to undermine other people.

He was a staunch remainer. Wrote articles about how we shouldn't leave.

Then he saw the swing to Leave and saw his opportunity to screw Cameron by getting behind the campaign. He never thought Leave would win. He wanted a close win for Remain and would have then been in prime position to call Cameron weak for calling the referendum and only scraping through. Heralding his leadership challenge which he would have won, because of all the euro sceptics in the party who would have been livid with Cameron for backing Remain.

It's so simple and it's backed up by his own words before he jumped ship, the timing of his about turn and the look on his terrified face at the press conference after the result, when he clearly realised he'd ****ed it all up.

What a complete and utter **** he is.

Well said. He had his articles written both for promoting leave and remain, I believe. He certainly wouldn't pass Hughton's 'no dickheads' policy.

 

[Hastings gull]

They clearly haven’t. And idiots like yourself are why I believe people should now have to prove they are mentally fit and able to vote.

I am not sure that the EU have made things difficult, as the OP said to whom you were responding. But equally, I am not sure that they have been willing to make things easy. I don't know the intricacies of all the negotiations, and let's be honest, you weren't in it on it, so nor do you. So your comment about the poster being an idiot is unnecessary and unfair.

 

[On the way]

Yes

Fair enough, nothing else to say really is there (waits for a “no”)

 

[On the way]

Another one

 

[Hastings gull]

The EU negotiated with May and her ministers and agreed a deal. They haven't changed anything. Britain invoked A50, put forward our deal and keep moving the goalposts.

How on earth anyone can say the EU have made life difficult for us, is totally beyond my comprehension. This is all self inflicted.

That is certainly true of the last few weeks -a deal was agreed and we are unable to stick to it. However, what you are conveniently ignoring, is that the deal may be the best we can get as a result of possible EU intransigence. Afterall, it is not in any way in their interests to have a paying member leave - others might follow. I say possible, as I was not there to witness the negotiations, so it is hard to state which party all along was the biggest culprit for the mess in which we now find ourselves.

 

[Albion Prem]

There is no point in having a second vote to ignore a majority vote because once it was permitted then there could be no way that a third vote etc,etc could be turned down