[Politics] Brexit

[LVGull]

They clearly haven’t. And idiots like yourself are why I believe people should now have to prove they are mentally fit and able to vote.

I can’t believe I’ve just been called a idiot by someone who doesn’t know me. What’s makes you so ****ing superior you absolute tool. Are you one of these experts who knows **** all as well.

 

[Stat Brother]

That is certainly true of the last few weeks -a deal was agreed and we are unable to stick to it. However, what you are conveniently ignoring, is that the deal may be the best we can get as a result of possible EU intransigence. Afterall, it is not in any way in their interests to have a paying member leave - others might follow. I say possible, as I was not there to witness the negotiations, so it is hard to state which party all along was the biggest culprit for the mess in which we now find ourselves.

Odd to only just realise that now.

 

[Bold Seagull]

That is certainly true of the last few weeks -a deal was agreed and we are unable to stick to it. However, what you are conveniently ignoring, is that the deal may be the best we can get as a result of possible EU intransigence. Afterall, it is not in any way in their interests to have a paying member leave - others might follow. I say possible, as I was not there to witness the negotiations, so it is hard to state which party all along was the biggest culprit for the mess in which we now find ourselves.

What you would have to say is, that the government seems entirely happy with the deal other than the backstop which appears to be anathema to the Brexiteers.

Of course you wouldn't need a backstop if your negotiated a customs union. We know this has never been attempted so we don't know the deal the EU would offer if it was what we wanted.

 

[Fungus]

They clearly haven’t. And idiots like yourself are why I believe people should now have to prove they are mentally fit and able to vote.

Wow, that's a slippery slope you're suggesting...

 

[lawros left foot]

Boris was doing what Boris does. Promoting himself and trying to undermine other people.

He was a staunch remainer. Wrote articles about how we shouldn't leave.

Then he saw the swing to Leave and saw his opportunity to screw Cameron by getting behind the campaign. He never thought Leave would win. He wanted a close win for Remain and would have then been in prime position to call Cameron weak for calling the referendum and only scraping through. Heralding his leadership challenge which he would have won, because of all the euro sceptics in the party who would have been livid with Cameron for backing Remain.

It's so simple and it's backed up by his own words before he jumped ship, the timing of his about turn and the look on his terrified face at the press conference after the result, when he clearly realised he'd ****ed it all up.

What a complete and utter **** he is.

I can’t understand that Leavers don’t blame Johnson , Davis, Gove etc far more for this mess. Not blaming Farage is understandable, he’s Putins useful idiot, but, the Tory leavers have escaped with hardly any criticism at all. They were the driving force behind the referendum campaign, they supposedly had the power to make Brexit happen, but how many of them have actually done something to try to deliver their dreams?
If I were a Leaver, I would be far more angry with them, than ever I could be with May, or any of the other pygmies in her cabinet.

 

[Triggaaar]

I just don't understand the logic of when we decided to invoke Article 50. This entire two year shitshow could have been mitigated, if not avoided, if someone had had the common sense to work out the deal BEFORE finger f**king the big red Article 50 button like a horny teenager left in a room of washed up pornstars.

But the EU said they would not discuss the terms of Brexit until after we had triggered Article 50, so how do you suggest we worked out a deal on our own?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I can’t believe I’ve just been called a idiot by someone who doesn’t know me. What’s makes you so ****ing superior you absolute tool. Are you one of these experts who knows **** all as well.

This isn’t about me in the slightest. It’s about you. And about you making unfounded daft comments. I’ll now prefix idiot with short tempered.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But the EU said they would not discuss the terms of Brexit until after we had triggered Article 50, so how do you suggest we worked out a deal on our own?

We work out what we want, trigger A50, then have two years to come to a deal with the EU.
We still don't know what we want yet.

For example, just tonight.

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[Blue Valkyrie]

Nothing changes.

Except the *No deal* dystopian collapse of the country is 1 day closer.




The biggest chance of blocking this is for MPs to vote for May's deal.

Almost every other course is just Fools Gold and will fail at the last.

 

[Two Professors]

You literally did. There were whole DEBATE POINTS during the referendum about having to pay a divorce bill. Only those on the lunatic fringe of UKIP argued for no divorce bill. Do you reckon if you walked out on your wife she'd just happily forget your assets? Were you asleep during that part of the debate? Or drinking with Brian Robson?

Tragically the net impact on the country of no deal will be significantly more costly over the next decade than any divorce settlement



You voted for May's deal and no deal and the Norway option and Corbyn's "stay in the customs union" version. You also voted for none of them.

There were two options on the ballot-Leave or remain.Debating points were not on there.

As for your,perhaps if you cannot think of anything to say,you should just ignore it,until you learn a bit of history.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I am not sure that the EU have made things difficult, as the OP said to whom you were responding. But equally, I am not sure that they have been willing to make things easy. I don't know the intricacies of all the negotiations, and let's be honest, you weren't in it on it, so nor do you. So your comment about the poster being an idiot is unnecessary and unfair.

For some reason I always picture you wagging your finger at NSC with a stern look on your face.....

 

[LVGull]

This isn’t about me in the slightest. It’s about you. And about you making unfounded daft comments. I’ll now prefix idiot with short tempered.

And I’ll stick with calling you an absolute tool. What a ****ing weapon you are.

 

[lawros left foot]

But the EU said they would not discuss the terms of Brexit until after we had triggered Article 50, so how do you suggest we worked out a deal on our own?

We could have had a plan that had been agreed by the cabinet, so they could at least present a United front to the EU negotiators, instead, we got Mays deal, developed by, seemingly, her on the back of a fag packet, that when Johnson and Davis saw it, they promptly resigned.
I realise it would have been difficult to get past all the egos involved, but, surely we should have had some kind of plan and timescale before invoking Article 50.

 

[Bold Seagull]

There is no point in having a second vote to ignore a majority vote because once it was permitted then there could be no way that a third vote etc,etc could be turned down

I voted remain, but not sure I want a 2nd referendum as a remain vote then would simply result in a huge upsurge in populist policies, probably an even nastier UKIP raising it's head, Farage setting up a new party and being on QT every week. It would never end, and would be political self harm.

 

[Two Professors]

Well, well, Two professors beign abusive, there’s a novelty.


If I cared one iota about your opinion, this may have annoyed me, as it is , you don’t appear to be able to communicate in an adult manner, without the need to bolster your ego with puerile insults.

Have a pleasant evening.

It certainly wasn't random abuse.If you choose to needlessly abuse pensioners,in a momentum troll-like manner,you should expect a response.Hardly adult behaviour being a troll,or being in momentum.Twunt.

 

[Guinness Boy]

There were two options on the ballot-Leave or remain.Debating points were not on there.

That's not the point I was making. Did you really think we'd leave the EU without paying them a penny? If you did you weren't paying any attention at all during the campaign. But then you were hardly alone in that.

As for your,perhaps if you cannot think of anything to say,you should just ignore it,until you learn a bit of history.

How can I ignore something as dumb as claiming Putin is a Communist. It just didn't deserve more than a facepalm.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

We could have had a plan that had been agreed by the cabinet, so they could at least present a United front to the EU negotiators, instead, we got Mays deal, developed by, seemingly, her on the back of a fag packet, that when Johnson and Davis saw it, they promptly resigned.
I realise it would have been difficult to get past all the egos involved, but, surely we should have had some kind of plan and timescale before invoking Article 50.

We could have even have had a broad 'unofficial' outline agreement with the EU in place.


For instance, a pragmatic PM would have sat down with an EU representative and a blank sheet of paper, and began formulating the end state and how to get there. The 1st 3 words on this paper would be Good, Friday and Agreement.


Sadly, we have a non-pragmatic PM who at the time preferred vacuous red, white and blue soundbites.

Disgrace. The country is lost in just 15 days time as things stand.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

But the EU said they would not discuss the terms of Brexit until after we had triggered Article 50, so how do you suggest we worked out a deal on our own?

Between you and the previous poster, you have eloquently illustrated the shortcomings of a two sided triangle, there. Top geometry.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I am not sure that the EU have made things difficult, as the OP said to whom you were responding. But equally, I am not sure that they have been willing to make things easy. I don't know the intricacies of all the negotiations, and let's be honest, you weren't in it on it, so nor do you. So your comment about the poster being an idiot is unnecessary and unfair.

'They' are a club of 27 members based on some fairly simple principles.

When one of their members decides to leave, what principles do you think the other 26 should immediately change in order to make it easier for the one who chose to leave (and still doesn't know what it wants?)

Now, as I'm sure you are aware, I've always hated this 'all leavers are thick' idea and actively campaign against it. You are not helping my campaign.

 

[nicko31]

Why don’t we just go no deal? The EU won’t want that, they have made life difficult for us.

No deal would be a disaster we are completely unprepared for, it would also precipitate the break up of the UK

The EU are in a negotiation and will fight for the rights of 450m people, they have actually been pretty accomodating helping out with the backstop when May requested it

They've been consistent throughout and had a plan from day one. We need to take stock and consider our mistakes before we enter phase two, assuming we get that far