How is saying that pensioners won’t make much difference if they strike’ abusing’ them? I also implied the self employed wouldn’t either, and a large amount of Leave voters were pensioners. You really are a strange one,still, it takes all sorts.
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How is saying that pensioners won’t make much difference if they strike’ abusing’ them? I also implied the self employed wouldn’t either, and a large amount of Leave voters were pensioners. You really are a strange one,still, it takes all sorts.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
I never claimed Putin was anything.Try reading before posting.
And I said I didn't vote to pay 39 mil,I voted to LEAVE.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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I was on the October Remainer March and it was just about the most gentle, friendly gathering I have been on. The overwhelming spirits were of fraternity and sadness. The Brexit chaps said we would be lucky to get 100,000 there. 670,000 turned up. There would be no violence if Remain lost a second referendum. We can only guess what would happen if the reverse occurred but I doubt it would be pretty.
'Whiter than white'?
Better, I guess, than . . ..well...let's not go there (woodpiles etc).
Apart from that... the EU don't need to do nuffink. We decided to leave....it is up to us to ask for things....the default is hard Brexit....if we want some deals we have to ask for things....but we are still arguing amongst ourselves what it is we want.....step back and survey the landscape....it can be very easy to forget who is who and what is what....
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Perhaps there are no pensioners working voluntarily for the NHS in Sussex.Perhaps they are all ignorant,selfish,remainers.
Why would his agent be a card carrying Communist party member then? Putin is as far removed from the Communists as it's possible to be. He aligns with the right and far right and uses tech to get his wicked way, exactly as stated by the poster you dismissed. The Russians occaisionally align with the Chinese but they stopped being Communists in any real sense of the word in the 1990s. Oft times, however, they are competing with one another.
The real aim is superiority in trade and military position. It suits Putin to split the EU as it weakens one of his competitors. Classic mob technique. It suits him to weaken NATO so that he can continue to expand and look for the deep water ports that he was left without when the Soviet Union broke up. hence the interference in the US elections - he knew Trump was no fan of NATO, that he was pro-Brexit and that he was far less inclined to join a UN war should he want to usurp somewhere useful to him.
Any "card carrying Communist" helping him in such endevours might as well shoot himself in the foot. This is ALL about business.
Now,now, there’s no need for that. I know some very intelligent and altruistic pensioners who voted remain and leave, some even married to each other, there’s really no call for you to libel Sussex pensioners like that.
And I’ve just promoted you to ‘very strange’.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
If only we'd done what Vote Leave had said would happen. It would have been so easy.
Yaxley-Lemon and some fat bald men shouting probably. Not exactly the end of the world.
portslade seagull
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Not for me Simster. Worse scenario than leaving the EU
portslade seagull
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There's a few of them on here. Wont take long for you to guess them
Dave the OAP
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From as far back as I can remember, the tories have been tearing themselves apart over Europe. Even back as far as ted Heath and then the evil thatch to major and now may, there has always been an undercurrent, even to the state of major calling his eurosceptics " ********". How this present bunch thought they could get brexit through when the ERG were never going to vote for her EVER and all the opposition want is for her to fail so they can have a general election.
There is no answer to this as this has torn the country down the middle with both sides showing utter contempt and hatred for each other.
Not being over dramatic, but can anyone see, on both sides, how this will end up. Will either side put up with losing?
Whatever side you are on, I cannot see how our country will ever be the same again. I certainly think our parliament will never really be trusted again which for democracy is a horrendous thought.
There is no answer to this as this has torn the country down the middle with both sides showing utter contempt and hatred for each other.
Not being over dramatic, but can anyone see, on both sides, how this will end up. Will either side put up with losing?
Whatever side you are on, I cannot see how our country will ever be the same again. I certainly think our parliament will never really be trusted again which for democracy is a horrendous thought.
This, the Tories have been having a low level civil war within their party for 45 years. It flairs up every now and again, but, this time they’ve managed to drag the whole of the country into it. The whole shebang is down to them, from the abortion of a referendum, to the present humiliation of our country.
Had we entered into the spirit of the EU we could have been the most influential member, and moulded it into what we wanted, but, instead we sat on the sidelines throwing bricks and wondering why they took no notice of us.
The Tories, their right wing mates, the little Englanders and the press in this country threw away a marvellous opportunity to be the most respected nation in the EU.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
That’s a bit daft as even the EU recognised it as a negotiation especially as one of their major contributors was leaving
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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If we had been voting to join the EU and Join had won I expect even the latte, Waitrose brigade on that march would have got a bit shirty if the other side didn't accept the result and insisted they vote again.
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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Seeing the recent contributions on this and the other Brexit thread I was reminded of this article ...
When historians of the future look back on Britain in our time, they will surely see our row over Brexit as extraordinary. Not because people disagree and campaign: that is normal and healthy; but because an influential section of the country, and particularly of its upper classes, are refusing to accept the will of the majority as legitimate or binding. It is no exaggeration to call this a revolt, even though it rarely hits the streets. Its unusual nature is shown by the arguments of its hardline supporters – arguments that would undermine any democratic system, and which have rarely been heard in any advanced country since the nineteenth century. For example: that most voters do not know what they are voting for; that working-class voters are too ignorant to make a choice; that people without advanced education should have their political rights reduced; that older people’s opinions have inferior legitimacy. Leaving aside ethical questions concerning equal rights – questions that most of us would have thought had been resolved by the end of the 19th century – these views show astonishing misunderstanding of what democracy is and what it is for. They lack the slightest degree of historical awareness – yet they are put forward with assurance by people who openly regard themselves as superior in education and intelligence.
More....
https://brexitcentral.com/three-categories-revolting-remainer-makes-tick/
When historians of the future look back on Britain in our time, they will surely see our row over Brexit as extraordinary. Not because people disagree and campaign: that is normal and healthy; but because an influential section of the country, and particularly of its upper classes, are refusing to accept the will of the majority as legitimate or binding. It is no exaggeration to call this a revolt, even though it rarely hits the streets. Its unusual nature is shown by the arguments of its hardline supporters – arguments that would undermine any democratic system, and which have rarely been heard in any advanced country since the nineteenth century. For example: that most voters do not know what they are voting for; that working-class voters are too ignorant to make a choice; that people without advanced education should have their political rights reduced; that older people’s opinions have inferior legitimacy. Leaving aside ethical questions concerning equal rights – questions that most of us would have thought had been resolved by the end of the 19th century – these views show astonishing misunderstanding of what democracy is and what it is for. They lack the slightest degree of historical awareness – yet they are put forward with assurance by people who openly regard themselves as superior in education and intelligence.
More....
https://brexitcentral.com/three-categories-revolting-remainer-makes-tick/
But join did win the first one.
It may have been for a different type of organisation, but, it was a vote remain. I’m not arguing that the reason we shouldn’t of had a second referendum is because it ignores the will of the people, the democratic process, but, my 1974 vote has been ignored, just because everything has changed and people didn’t understand it in the first place, doesn’t mean we should ever have had another vote for the rest of eternity.
Sound familiar?
HH Brighton
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Lets face it if you were stupid enough to vote leave last time, nothing that's happened since would have changed your mind. Having said that the result would be different as all those people that didn't vote thinking it was formality would not get out and vote.
nicko31
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