If there is anything a large majority of people can agree on, its we cant just "get on with it and leave fully" without the country grinding to a halt.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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If there is anything a large majority of people can agree on, its we cant just "get on with it and leave fully" without the country grinding to a halt.
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Pathetic isn't it. For the last 2 years remainers have thrown a massive spanner in the works, yet they blame the leavers for the confusion. I know what I voted for that was too leave, how hard can it be.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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Just because most people voted to leave, and some of those want a complete/hard brexit doesn't mean it's easy, or even possible.
IMO the hard brexiters are hoping for some kind of utopian outcome, and are living in a fantasy land. Gove may just be coming round to the realisation that you can't always get what you want.
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We can send people and cargo up to the ISS, but we can't leave the EU. It does sound ridicolous. The EU doesn't own us. Nothing is impossible.
Dave the OAP
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This was how it was always going to pan out.
People vote to leave, we as a nation can't afford to go it alone, so the government fudge it so it looks like we are leaving but actually we are leaving, but to trade with the eu, we have to keep all their laws, their standards, their borders, their rules basically, and now we have NO say in any of them.
So let's say tomorrow, the eu say, because of sustainability, the only people allowed to fish in UK waters are the French and Spanish boats....and we will have no say in April next year to block this ..as our veto has gone.
So well done mrs may and the conservatives...tremendous scenes.
People vote to leave, we as a nation can't afford to go it alone, so the government fudge it so it looks like we are leaving but actually we are leaving, but to trade with the eu, we have to keep all their laws, their standards, their borders, their rules basically, and now we have NO say in any of them.
So let's say tomorrow, the eu say, because of sustainability, the only people allowed to fish in UK waters are the French and Spanish boats....and we will have no say in April next year to block this ..as our veto has gone.
So well done mrs may and the conservatives...tremendous scenes.
Some of us voted leave precisely because we wanted parliament to have the ultimate say in what we can or can't do
daveinprague
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We were always able to.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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Parliament has always had the ultimate say.
Dorset Seagull
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You also told us the world was going to end when article 50 was triggered
portslade seagull
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No most remainers on this thread have been practically wishing it to happen
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
How many letters gone to Graham Brady now 
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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you're not adressing the question. we may have had more control over some areas than acknowledged by politicans, but to go as far as to say we could refuse EU law is to pretend the EU doesnt have any precedence or authority. can we enter into free trade? no, because we devolved all customs and trade law to EU, we cant refuse that law.
i'm over it now, but lets not lie about it, EU controls us and will continue to.
Oh I see what you mean. Yes, it does seem that some want us to fail so that they can say they were right.
I would far prefer this than Boris, Mogg and Gove.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Out of interest, who do you think should have led the negotiations and would have got the 'good deal' you were hoping for?
Not true. If we didn't want to implement GDPR, we'd have been against EU rules.
If we want to nationalise rail and introduce a state railway monopoly again, that would be against EU competition rules
- Jul 10, 2003
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Not an area I know well but I thought the majority of countries in the EU ran state operated railways?
Isn't Britain of the most privatised models?
- Jul 10, 2003
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Fair enough. I think we will have to agree to disagree as I thought we were on a one track road to our current clusterf*** from the day after the referendum, regardless of who was in power.
The other thing people seem to forget is that we were one of the most powerful forces in shaping them (the EU) until Nige and his swivel eyed loons somehow persuaded the naive and gullible that he was the 'man of the people'.
I'm not a great fan of the EU but we were in a position to change what wasn't good for the UK.
Nige, Boris and Co have done OK out of this, but it's totally f***ed the rest of us
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Yes, but new competition rules introduced in 2016 aim to copy the UK (passengers using SASTA may have to stifle a laugh at this point, but the British model is seen as way that railways should be run). Most European railways will continue to be state run but a single 100% state-owned company operating trains, running stations and controlling the track will not be allowed.
I know that's not what was in the Labour manifesto, but if it was, it wouldn't be allowed while the UK remained a member of the EU.
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