[Politics] Brexit

[CheeseRolls]

David Davies on the Andrew Marr show shortly. We will see his smarmy smile and facile answers to the real questions we want answered, and lots of wriggling on the £50bn he is giving away.

£50bn.

Ffs the brexit part of this party really are incompetent

Given that this is in the Sunday Times, my theory is that the bill agreed is probably lower - say £38Bn and that we are all expected to breath a sigh of relief that at least it wasn't £50Bn. This is the only way they can possibly put any spin on this dull turd.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Given that this is in the Sunday Times, my theory is that the bill agreed is probably lower - say £38Bn and that we are all expected to breath a sigh of relief that at least it wasn't £50Bn. This is the only way they can possibly put any spin on this dull turd.

Good point, suspect your right. £20bn, £30bn, anything over zero is a joke, we shoot ourself in the foot on trade and jobs by leaving and pay to do so. Farce

 

[The Clamp]

When it says "secret", has it been leaked. Was our difficult woman who has claimed to be bringing home a great deal for Europe hoping to keep this schtum?
I suspect a kind of "yes, we'll pay you whatever you want with the strict caveat that you say nothing and I go home to claim a win". ??

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

David Davies on the Andrew Marr show shortly. We will see his smarmy smile and facile answers to the real questions we want answered, and lots of wriggling on the £50bn he is giving away.

£50bn.

Ffs the brexit part of this party really are incompetent

Andrew should ask him about his bizarre tech-and-trust customs border idea like that FedEx guy did. Good comedy value.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Over the last quarter our interest payments have increased by £315 million a week, mainly due to inflation as a knock on effect of our weak currency.

Speculators and International commentators think the UK is a joke.

£50 billion to shoot ourselves in the foot and what do we actually gain from all this? Well we get to keep a bunch of tax loopholes that benefit the media barons and speculators, who have been blaming the immigrants and the unemployed for all our woes for decades. By the way all of these easy quick free trade agreements are going to be negotiated by the same bunch of numpties who are signing up for a £50 billion payment, which many people on here told me wasn't necessary as we could just walk away. DELUDED.

Disappointing not even a you lost get over it.




We have a straightforward choice now, save the economy or save the Conservative party.

 

[beorhthelm]

The Sunday Times headline tomorrow is May secretly agrees £50bn Brexit bill. Only £50bn. A few pounds more than free. Negotiations going well then. How is she and the merry camp of Brexiteers going to fumble their way out of this one?. Perhaps she has got free access to the single market with no free labour movement cough or perhaps she is getting fully outmaneuvered. At least we are negotiating to our timeline and priorities cough

you'll have to explain your position, as a remainer i gather - do you believe there should be no exit bill arrangement? what do you believe the exit bill should be, give or take 5bn.

 

[CheeseRolls]

you'll have to explain your position, as a remainer i gather - do you believe there should be no exit bill arrangement? what do you believe the exit bill should be, give or take 5bn.

The exit bill should be -£18.2bn @350m a week and we should have unilateral free trade agreements lined up all around the world with our new willing partners and all the "foreigners" should also have packed their bags.

You really are a worm and as usual your defence is to look for faults elsewhere rather than to attempt to justify a political promise which could never be met.

 

[wellquickwoody]

OK everybody, I am known on here for being a Tory boy, right wing, anti Jezza, not a fan of the Labour party, etc etc. That reputation is well deserved cos I am all of those things, I am also against unfettered immigration (trust me, mine ain't unfettered), benefits for all, basically I really do think that Jezza is a tool.

But..........

I personally would say that if Jezza were to throw Brexit in the bin and promise continued membership of the EU, albeit on hopefully better terms than before, then I would take it. I would vote forJezza in the next General Election as I believe it would be the best thing for the UK if he promised those things. And yes, I do still get a vote for quite a number of years.

 

[BigGully]

OK everybody, I am known on here for being a Tory boy, right wing, anti Jezza, not a fan of the Labour party, etc etc. That reputation is well deserved cos I am all of those things, I am also against unfettered immigration (trust me, mine ain't unfettered), benefits for all, basically I really do think that Jezza is a tool.

But..........

I personally would say that if Jezza were to throw Brexit in the bin and promise continued membership of the EU, albeit on hopefully better terms than before, then I would take it. I would vote forJezza in the next General Election as I believe it would be the best thing for the UK if he promised those things. And yes, I do still get a vote for quite a number of years.

All very worthy, but you have been a committed Remainer since prior to the referendum, no shame in that, but its no good spinning yourself now as some unbiased Brexit commentor.

 

[wellquickwoody]

All very worthy, but you have been an avid Remainer since prior to the referendum, no shame in that, but its no good spinning yourself now as some unbiased Brexit commentor.

Oh I am biased, I am very big biased, so much so that I would vote for my arch nemesis as I believe it would be the best thing that I could do to save the UK from the calamity that is about to befall it. Five years of stupid socialism is a far smaller price to pay than 20 years of recovery from the wilderness that is Brexit.

 

[beorhthelm]

The exit bill should be -£18.2bn @350m a week and we should have unilateral free trade agreements lined up all around the world with our new willing partners and all the "foreigners" should also have packed their bags.

You really are a worm and as usual your defence is to look for faults elsewhere rather than to attempt to justify a political promise which could never be met.

it would be nice to have reasoned debate, understanding the realities and parking the rhetoric.

I personally would say that if Jezza were to throw Brexit in the bin and promise continued membership of the EU, albeit on hopefully better terms than before, then I would take it.

Corbyn is not in favour of the EU, as he cant deliver his vision of socialist utopia within the constrains of EU. he certainly wouldnt get "better terms" where Cameron was told to naff off and the current strategy is to make everything as difficult as possible. if we reverse brexit entirely i foresee the EU using the position to revoke the rebate, and will accelerate plans to force all members on to the Euro, common foreign policy, EU army and other institutions of single state.

 

[Two Professors]

So now the dim and deluded have taken to quoting a Murdoch newspaper?
I reckon 30 billion would be about right,given our average contribution of 350 million a week for our remaining weeks in.Shame we can't just pay it and get out earlier,but things like EHIC (done) and citizens rights (nearly done) have to be agreed.The light is now starting to shine at the end of the tunnel,freedom beckons.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I was comparing Mrs May's strategy of calling a second Brexit-based election just months after the last one with suggestions from elsewhere for a second referendum. I will always support the principle of a GE over a referendum though, except in exceptional circumstances. The fact that membership of the EU isn't one of them was emphasised for me yesterday by an old friend. He explained that he and his wife voted Leave because they thought they were being asked about immigration. As he said, he knows nothing about the subject but after reading an article in a complementary copy of the Mail they thought they'd cast their vote against. He regrets it.

Adding to the impressive list of Remainers on this thread who have regaled us with delightful stories of how family or friends are regretting voting for Brexit. I liked the mention of The Mail for a bonus point in yours though. Meanwhile polls show little sign of Bregret but do show strong support for getting on with it.

I hope you told your old friends that net immigration has been falling by a significant amount recently, mainly due to the impact of the referendum vote/Brexit.

 

[Titanic]

Poorest will gain most under Brexit, says Labour report

Britain's poorest households will be the biggest beneficiaries of Britain's departure from the European Union, according to a report published by a prominent Labour group.

A paper co-authored by Labour Leave and a group of economists estimates that Brexit will bring a reduction in prices and immigration that will save the most deprived families £36 per week.

The group also warns that a "soft Brexit" would "leave us worse off and in danger of remaining in the EU in all but name."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/03/poorest-will-gain-brexit-says-labour-report/

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Impressed with DD on Marr this morning. £50 Billion story 'nonsense ...completely wrong' Uk position - 'People before process', Healthcare and social security provision agreed for UK citizens in Europe.

Meanwhile, Labour have a 'united and clear position'

Keir Starmer: Stay in single market and “a” customs union during transition period, then leave single market. Transition has to be as short as possible, “could” last just two years. Or it “could” go beyond 2022 election.

Tom Watson: Could stay in single market and customs union permanently after the transition period is over.

Caroline Flint: “Totally disagree” with Watson, cannot stay in single market and customs union permanently.

 

[The Clamp]

Impressed with DD on Marr this morning. £50 Billion story 'nonsense ...completely wrong' Uk position - 'People before process', Healthcare and social security provision agreed for UK citizens in Europe.

Meanwhile, Labour have a 'united and clear position'

Keir Starmer: Stay in single market and “a” customs union during transition period, then leave single market. Transition has to be as short as possible, “could” last just two years. Or it “could” go beyond 2022 election.

Tom Watson: Could stay in single market and customs union permanently after the transition period is over.

Caroline Flint: “Totally disagree” with Watson, cannot stay in single market and customs union permanently.

To be fair, no reliable source I have seen has confirmed £50bn but I don't trust anything the Tories say either. The truth is more likely that she begged for a £50bn bill but they told her £100bn, piss off and come back when you find a clue.

 

[Baldseagull]

Poorest will gain most under Brexit, says Labour report

Britain's poorest households will be the biggest beneficiaries of Britain's departure from the European Union, according to a report published by a prominent Labour group.

A paper co-authored by Labour Leave and a group of economists estimates that Brexit will bring a reduction in prices and immigration that will save the most deprived families £36 per week.

The group also warns that a "soft Brexit" would "leave us worse off and in danger of remaining in the EU in all but name."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/03/poorest-will-gain-brexit-says-labour-report/

It may be that there is some upwards movement in wages of lower paid jobs, if there is a reduction in immigration, but I doubt very much we will see a reduction in prices. Either we will be importing at increased cost, or we will be consuming more domestically produced products, which, if wages have gone up, will logically be more expensive to produce than they are currently.
This also is not taking proper account of what the future tax burden is likely to be, which despite any reduction in payments to the EU, is likely to rise substantially.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I hope you told your old friends that net immigration has been falling by a significant amount recently, mainly due to the impact of the referendum vote/Brexit.

I don't think he's that bothered by immigration anyway - it was just that when someone asked them what they saw as the tacit question "do you fancy more immigrants or fewer?" they stuck their X against fewer.

 

[sir albion]

It may be that there is some upwards movement in wages of lower paid jobs, if there is a reduction in immigration, but I doubt very much we will see a reduction in prices. Either we will be importing at increased cost, or we will be consuming more domestically produced products, which, if wages have gone up, will logically be more expensive to produce than they are currently.
This also is not taking proper account of what the future tax burden is likely to be, which despite any reduction in payments to the EU, is likely to rise substantially.

A big thing would be to have many more homes available and that would mean lower house prices and lower rents although we'd need many immigrants to leave or seriously cut immigration.I know we need immigrants but too many breeds way to many issues at the bottom of the ladder.Immigration is great for big business but the strain is just to much here.


Labour should be banned from comments during the leaving process as it just makes the idiots from Brussels even stronger.Just hate the way these lefties will try anything to disrupt the process.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Labour should be banned from comments during the leaving process as it just makes the idiots from Brussels even stronger.Just hate the way these lefties will try anything to disrupt the process.

And it's goodbye democracy , hello totalitarianism.