[Politics] Brexit

[Lyndhurst 14]

foreigners are having a ball with the value of the € against the £.

Plenty of Yanks whizzing over to Blighty as the pound goes down the toilet against the dollar - $1.50 to the pound end of last year and down to $1.22 today

 

[Two Professors]

Wonder if Bozza could get you lot sponsored by Gravitas? What a load of Glockenspielers,or whatever that faux-kraut said.

 

[nicko31]

That is of no help to me of course....it will be Spoons with the other winos for me

I guess that explains why their chairman was a Brexiter. He knows when times get tough people trade down

 

[GT49er]

I didn't mean to suggest that everyone who voted Leave is right wing but it might be fair to say that almost everyone on the right voted Leave. There are a number of left of centre reasons for being anti-EU (see Wallonia) but most people from the council estates* who voted Leave probably did so for reasons normally seen as right wing or populist. It is presumably relevant that half the Tory party and every other party to the right of it were anti-EU.

*IDS's description, not mine.

We can leave IDS out of it! My point - or part of it - is that Labour is almost as pro-EU as the Lib Dems, but thousands of its core voters, throughout the Labour heartlands, solidly voted to leave.

 

[studio150]

And the much lower duty free allowance once we're out.
Much higher duty imposed in UK as Government need to raise tax revenues in attempt to not go bankrupt

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Pictures are hung, murderers are hanged.

Quite right. I didn't know that. Need to brush up on my past participles!

 

[GT49er]

Pictures are hung, murderers are hanged.

Actually, I think you'll find it's 'pictures are hung, murderers were hanged'.

 

[vegster]

And the much lower duty free allowance once we're out.
Much higher duty imposed in UK as Government need to raise tax revenues in attempt to not go bankrupt

Indeed, a double whammy of despair.... luckily you can get a fair bit of beer back if they go back to the old allowances but spirits and fags will be really curtailed.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

We can leave IDS out of it! My point - or part of it - is that Labour is almost as pro-EU as the Lib Dems, but thousands of its core voters, throughout the Labour heartlands, solidly voted to leave.

From my experience of the sort of people Labour would regard as its core voters, you're right. Labour has a problem and it would have a bigger one if UKIP wasn't a comedy show.

(It would be lovely if we could leave IDS out of it but by terrible irony millions of people who say they loathe his kind have just voted him and his mates into power for a long time, to do their worst and change our country for a lifetime.)

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

From my experience of the sort of people Labour would regard as its core voters, you're right. Labour has a problem and it would have a bigger one if UKIP wasn't a comedy show.

(It would be lovely if we could leave IDS out of it but by terrible irony millions of people who say they loathe his kind have just voted him and his mates into power for a long time, to do their worst and change our country for a lifetime.)

If Brexit does not get delivered there is a possibility that the country will just accept a Norway vote,there is also a real possibility that Conservatives could replace Labour as the main ( ) opposition and Labour,a recent party will slip bellow the waves.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

From my experience of the sort of people Labour would regard as its core voters, you're right. Labour has a problem and it would have a bigger one if UKIP wasn't a comedy show.

(It would be lovely if we could leave IDS out of it but by terrible irony millions of people who say they loathe his kind have just voted him and his mates into power for a long time, to do their worst and change our country for a lifetime.)

I don't understand the bit in brackets. Do you mean the vote in the referendum? How does that vote IDS and and friends into power for a long time ? We have a General Election in 2020. All Labour has to do is provide a credible alternative. The fact they are not is completely independent of the Referendum result.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I didn't mean to suggest that everyone who voted Leave is right wing but it might be fair to say that almost everyone on the right voted Leave. There are a number of left of centre reasons for being anti-EU (see Wallonia) but most people from the council estates* who voted Leave probably did so for reasons normally seen as right wing or populist. It is presumably relevant that half the Tory party and every other party to the right of it were anti-EU.

*IDS's description, not mine.

Depends upon how you define right wing. I define it as support for a capitalist organization driven by the low wage interests of multinational companies. There has been a lurch to the Right in all three main parties in this regard. Perhaps you should be considering the possibility that Labour voters haven't changed at all in their natural suspicion of the corporate interests that Labour's elite have sided with. As for populist, that's just code for working class and yes a lot of Labour voters have always been from this background. That has always been distasteful to the middle class metropolitan leaders of the party. Rather than look down on its voters in this way perhaps the leaders should instead seek to represent them or stand aside ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

And it's no different from the UK government saying that Brexit is the ONLY option, even if the UK electorate decide that they don't like the final negotiated settlement.

Hows life in multicultural Firle
regards
DR

 

[GT49er]

From my experience of the sort of people Labour would regard as its core voters, you're right. Labour has a problem and it would have a bigger one if UKIP wasn't a comedy show.

UKIP or no UKIP Labour will continue to have a problem unless or until they accept and embrace the real-politick that Britain (including many of their supporters) has voted for Brexit.

(It would be lovely if we could leave IDS out of it but by terrible irony millions of people who say they loathe his kind have just voted him and his mates into power for a long time, to do their worst and change our country for a lifetime.)

Millions who don't loathe his kind voted for IDS and his ilk in 2015; millions more, who may loathe his kind, voted Lib Dem, Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, UKIP, anything but Tory, but didn't get the government they wanted! (Although ironically, UKIP voters, and many Labour voters too, got the government that gave them what they wanted, namely a straightforward, once and for all, final in or out referendum!)

 

[GT49er]

As for populist, that's just code for working class and yes a lot of Labour voters have always been from this background. That has always* been distasteful to the middle class metropolitan leaders of the party. Rather than look down on its voters in this way perhaps the leaders should instead seek to represent them or stand aside?

Amen to that!



*Not always, but certainly for far too long.

 

[portslade seagull]

Quite, it'll be disappearing over the channel when the bank moves.

Good riddance but they won't go and I think you know that

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Hows life in multicultural Firle
regards
DR

We're still adjusting to the fact that our local county councillor has resigned from UKIP.

 

[Mental Lental]

Why would he be handing in a dissertation in English at Sarajevo university?

You have to write in English if you want to be published. Ok, MA level isn't quite at the same level as published research but as Herr Tubthumper mentioned, many foreign universities, especially the flaghip ones of the country require academic papers to be written in English. Furthermore, if he was a nationalised Brit he'd obviously have been living and working in the country for a considerable period of time before he got his UK passport. Which would imply that even if his English was not of a sufficient level to pass a GCSE English exam before his arrival in the UK, it certainly would be by the time he got his UK citizenship.

 

[pastafarian]

The narrowness of your perspective deludes you into assuming the majority of the population who voted for brexit did so because they share your delusion.

actually the narrowness of your views is flawed.
millions do care about parliamentary accountability even though you claim its not important

millions argued we should have full control of lawmaking and be accountable to westminster, millions more argued this accountability could be served through the EU.
thats millions on each side saying accountability is important

you are a lone voice that thinks accountability is unimportant. Thankfully people like you can be counted in 3 digits.But please carry on and continue to promote the EU as your favourite way to achieve the goal of politicians not being accountable.

 

[pastafarian]

I'm doing a booze cruise to Belgium next month, possibly my last ever if the decline in the Pound continues.. Looks like I will get about €1.05 to the £, down from about €1.25 the last time I went. Will not be worth doing in 6 months at this rate.

well you are going next month and consider the exchange rate worthwhile to do a bit of stocking up,the exact same rate in 6 months time will put you off how?

Indeed, a double whammy of despair.... luckily you can get a fair bit of beer back if they go back to the old allowances but spirits and fags will be really curtailed.

make loads of trips to Europe and always stock up on cheap smokes.
Brexit has given me the last incentive to pack it in knowing i will be limited to how many i can bring back when we leave.

i tried a couple of weeks ago to pack it in and failed....will now try a different approach and hope that succeeds,i know i will get it right and pack up smoking..........Brexit has possibly saved my life.......all hail brexit.