[Politics] Brexit

[The Clamp]

My vague argument is no more vague than you quoting an individual bit of economic data, the value of sterling cannot be a true indicator of our economies worth, otherwise it wouldnt have been over valued pre referendum.

Why dont you use your same logic on snippets of EU data and see how it fairs ?

Yes, yes that'll be it. the pound was simply over valued and this economic nose dive is just a minor adjustment. Brexiteers wonder why they are mocked on here!

 

[The Clamp]

Have you considered the possibility that the many statements made by numerous organisations/governments/politicians re Brexit, signalling possible intent to do this or that may be as much about applying pressure, gaining concessions as any supposed hard evidence they will go anywhere?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ks-wont-leave-the-city-of-london-after-brexi/

All part of the negotiating progress ... Hollande/Merkel/X EU leader tell their electorate what they want to hear as does our PM. Organisations/business sectors fight their corners, then we all get down to the nitty gritty of negotiating a deal.

Yes.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

the value of sterling cannot be a true indicator of our economies worth, otherwise it wouldnt have been over valued pre referendum.

who said it was over-valued?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

who said it was over-valued?

The IMF and Deutsche Bank?

 

[alfredmizen]

You're not answering my question

I'll ask again

Do you genuinely believe that the current nose-dive in the pound is not primarily down to a lack of confidence in sterling caused by the current Brexit situation?

I'd say that some of it certainly is , markets can be very much like sheep , this sell off in sterling looks as if its very much hedge fund driven , there could be a lot of people caught with their pants down desperately trying to cover their shorts at the first bit of brexit good news .

 

[BigGully]

You're not answering my question

I'll ask again

Do you genuinely believe that the current nose-dive in the pound is not primarily down to a lack of confidence in sterling caused by the current Brexit situation?

Yes I do, my point is that any short term indicator, like the current value of sterling isn't yet relevent to the likely direction of the UK's economy, negative or positive, its no more than a snapshot.

You as with many things never lend the same level of scrutiny to other EU countries as you do with the UK.

 

[BigGully]

Yes, yes that'll be it. the pound was simply over valued and this economic nose dive is just a minor adjustment. Brexiteers wonder why they are mocked on here!

You have never been clever enough to mock anybody on here.

 

[nicko31]

who said it was over-valued?

It has been in the past, like 2006 / 07 when it was close to 2:1 against the USD but around 1.5 it was probably about right and has been around this for most of the past decade.

Imports growing 26 times faster than exports says it all, there will be few winners and many losers

 

[The Clamp]

You have never been clever enough to mock anybody on here.

oooh. Get you. I never claimed to be clever. But I am correct and that's what counts ;-)

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes I do, my point is that any short term indicator, like the current value of sterling isn't yet relevent to the likely direction of the UK's economy, negative or positive, its no more than a snapshot.

Why do you keep stating this? My question isn't asking if it's an indicator. I'm asking whether "you genuinely believe that the current nose-dive in the pound is not primarily down to a lack of confidence in sterling caused by the current Brexit situation? "

Is the "yes I do" a reply to my question?

 

[studio150]

Why do you keep stating this? My question isn't asking if it's an indicator. I'm asking whether "you genuinely believe that the current nose-dive in the pound is not primarily down to a lack of confidence in sterling caused by the current Brexit situation? "

Is the "yes I do" a reply to my question?

Must have been taking lessons from [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] in how not to answer a question.

A straight forward yes or no requirement is probably answered by silence

 

[alfredmizen]

The head of the WTO has just publicly stated that Brexit will not cause a disruption in trade.

 

[Soulman]

Must have been taking lessons from [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] in how not to answer a question.

A straight forward yes or no requirement is probably answered by silence

Just copy and paste that drivel.

 

[BigGully]

oooh. Get you. I never claimed to be clever. But I am correct and that's what counts ;-)

I was only kiddin' .......................... but you're rarely correct

 

[BigGully]

Why do you keep stating this? My question isn't asking if it's an indicator. I'm asking whether "you genuinely believe that the current nose-dive in the pound is not primarily down to a lack of confidence in sterling caused by the current Brexit situation? "

Is the "yes I do" a reply to my question?

No you have added bits on, but I do think that Brexit is a main contributory factor in the sterlings devaluation beyond what was always likely to happen, do I think its related to anything econimically substantive, I do not.

 

[Two Professors]

The IMF and Deutsche Bank?

Nobody trusts either of them!

 

[Two Professors]

You repeatedly fail to understand what I'm saying because it challenges a basic tenet of your belief system. You think I have a narrow view but, as an obviously fervent servant of your religion, it's your very subjectivity that denies you the perspective to form any objective assessment.

I understand that parliamentary accountability is important to you and your beliefs and you also believe that it is important to millions of others. What I'm saying is that you are unable to separate your belief from reality and that you assume but you don't know the others who voted the same way as you in the referendum share your motivation.

Throughout history, every belief system has maintained control and order over their adherents by promising future benefits; Christian religions promise an eternal life of pleasure or pain, English Trial by Ordeal promised proof of innocence through survival, Communism promises each according to their needs, Hinduism promises reincarnation & eternal life, Capitalism promises future wealth for all, Mediaeval witch trials promised truth by drowning, the UK justice system promises truth by oath & jury, Democracy promises you accountability.

You repeat the mantras of your own religion and your opinion is based on your belief but that does not make it real or true.

You do not know that millions argued that we should have full control of lawmaking, that is your assumption. How many people know what the UK lawmaking process is? How many people know what the EU lawmaking process is? How many people know which laws were passed by the EU. Are all the laws passed by the EU bad? Which EU laws would you have challenged? How did you attempt to influence those EU laws you object to? How many people know which EU laws the UK voted against. How many people know which EU laws were significantly modified by the UK before they reached the statute books? How many people know which laws originated in the European Court of Human Rights? How many people have been informed about EU laws by tabloid? How many people have been informed about EU laws by their own basic psychological needs?

You do not know that we will have full control of lawmaking once we have left the EU, that is your assumption. Who are "we"? What is "full control"? What additional benefit will we derive? How will you personally benefit from having full control of lawmaking? What additional freedoms will you enjoy? How will your life be improved? How will UK society benefit?

Neither you can nor anyone else has described what "full control of lawmaking" entails.

You state . No they didn't, that is your assumption. Did they know what the accountability of the EU is? Do you know what accountability the EU has? Do you know what accountability the UK retains within the EU? Do those other millions?



I know you're blinded by your faith but if you'd read and (here's the key) understood what I'd posted earlier on this thread then you'd realise why that comes across as such a silly little conceit.

Did that diatribe actually make any points,or are you Caroline Lucas practising your waffle on here?

 

[McTavish]

The head of the WTO has just publicly stated that Brexit will not cause a disruption in trade.

Well to a certain extent. What he actually said was, "Trade will not stop, it will continue and members negotiate the legal basis under which that trade is going to happen. But it doesn't mean that we'll have a vacuum or a disruption."
So he seems to be defining 'disruption' as trade stopping all together and I think we can all probably agree to that...

 

[studio150]

Just copy and paste that drivel.

Fact not drivel

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Did that diatribe actually make any points,or are you Caroline Lucas practising your waffle on here?

Sad response to a long and considered post. Wouldn't it have been better to have responded to one or two of the questions raised?