[Politics] Brexit

[Neville's Breakfast]

Hanged, hung, how many then.... a big fat none.

A big fat nun was hung ? I'm confused

 

[Soulman]

A big fat nun was hung ? I'm confused

You will have to go back to original post that suggested the EDL would hang people in certain cases.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You will have to go back to original post that suggested the EDL would hang people in certain cases.

Sorry,yeah saw that. I was just being a bit flippant and playing on words. That type of word play always appeals to my sense of humour.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Hanged?

Pictures are hung, murderers are hanged.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Due to go to the States in April next year. Depressing watching the trip get more expensive each day.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

So your position is that the inability of the EU to sign a trade deal with Canada demonstrates that we should have voted to Remain? I can fully understand the advantages of EU membership but I'm pretty sure that bureaucratic failure isnt one of them.

I wasn't making a wider point. Remainers said it would be difficult to negotiate a great trade deal with the EU, Brexiters said it wouldn't, that's all. The Walloons have suggested the Brexiters were wrong and the Remainers were right.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It's not really comparable. Belgium is a federation not a unified country. Wallonia is a socialist self governing region that amongst other objections opposes the expansion of the rights of multinational companies to sue national governments when policy changes. This type of clause is also worked into trade deal discussions with the US. Many people in Europe oppose these deals and your suggestion of overriding the current objections would probably lead to the break up of Belgium.

I wasn't actually being serious when talking about LDC, but the broad point is that the EU will never get any trade deals done anywhere if it allows too granular a veto.

The deal blocked was with Canada, and not the one with the US which is still unfinished.

It all points towards

(1) We are better off out of a block that is paralysed from making decisions by low granular vetos.

(2) It looks grim for any trade deal we now want with the EU actually getting signed off.

 

[Soulman]

Pictures are hung, murderers are hanged.

Correct, we'll done, I bet you feel like that bloke on money supermarket . Com.
So how many have the EDL "hanged".....none.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I wasn't actually being serious when talking about LDC, but the broad point is that the EU will never get any trade deals done anywhere if it allows too granular a veto.

The deal blocked was with Canada, and not the one with the US which is still unfinished.

It all points towards

(1) We are better off out of a block that is paralysed from making decisions by low granular vetos.

(2) It looks grim for any trade deal we now want with the EU actually getting signed off.

Agreed on both points. I would add:

3) The EU will need to abolish the low granular vetos in order to become a better functioning and
more centralized entity. A consequence will be a democratic crisis in independent minded areas such as Wallonia. This is likely to lead to further tension and possibly more withdrawals from the EU.

 

[McTavish]

If big businesses are still using microsoft then they deserve all they get,

What about small businesses?

And as a supplementary what should big businesses be using, genuinely curious?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Agreed on both points. I would add:

3) The EU will need to abolish the low granular vetos in order to become a better functioning and
more centralized entity. A consequence will be a democratic crisis in independent minded areas such as Wallonia. This is likely to lead to further tension and possibly more withdrawals from the EU.

Yes that makes sense. A smaller EU with those who want more integration could be the way forward I suppose. It seems the EU hasn't really got its balance right yet.

 

[mikeyjh]

If big businesses are still using microsoft then they deserve all they get,

Odd thing to say, you will struggle to find a big business that isn't using a Microsoft product, knock them all you like but I've yet to use something that gets close when it comes to a robust integrated package. Clearly there's a lot of purchasing decision makers that feel the same.

 

[Triggaaar]

He was nominated for the position by the European council, who voted 26 to 2 (us and Hungary opposed) and elected to the position by the European Parliament.(422 for, 250 against). He had a far better majority than leave did in the Brexit referendum.

Yes, he's more comparable with Sepp Blatter than with us.

 

[fat old seagull]

We'll need to borrow £18bn from someone just to settle the divorce settlement,that's before the stimulus to avoid a recession. Strange times...

Pah Peanuts!
Just get it off the side of Boris's Battle Bus! We're saving loads of money, and now no immigrants arriving. Things couldn't be rosier....well apart that is from ..."EU countries about to give us a trade bashing, us having no infrastructure in place to deal with Brexit, the pound now worth about Half a Crown, prices rising. Scotland, NI and later no doubt Wales leaving us to rot, and much, much worse....Banking our biggest money earner, threatening to bugger off to mainland Europe. Thank God we listened to Boris, Farange and Gove ....

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Ah, that old chestnut about it being a right wing thing to want to leave the EU. Yes, UKIP maybe - well, are - right wing, but a lot more people voted leave than ever voted for UKIP.

I didn't mean to suggest that everyone who voted Leave is right wing but it might be fair to say that almost everyone on the right voted Leave. There are a number of left of centre reasons for being anti-EU (see Wallonia) but most people from the council estates* who voted Leave probably did so for reasons normally seen as right wing or populist. It is presumably relevant that half the Tory party and every other party to the right of it were anti-EU.

*IDS's description, not mine.

 

[vegster]

Due to go to the States in April next year. Depressing watching the trip get more expensive each day.

I'm doing a booze cruise to Belgium next month, possibly my last ever if the decline in the Pound continues.. Looks like I will get about €1.05 to the £, down from about €1.25 the last time I went. Will not be worth doing in 6 months at this rate.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I wasn't actually being serious when talking about LDC, but the broad point is that the EU will never get any trade deals done anywhere if it allows too granular a veto.

The deal blocked was with Canada, and not the one with the US which is still unfinished.

It all points towards

(1) We are better off out of a block that is paralysed from making decisions by low granular vetos.

(2) It looks grim for any trade deal we now want with the EU actually getting signed off.

To be fair to the EU ( shit, did I really just say that ? ) it's how the Belgium constitution works - the EU has no say over it. For Belgium to agree to something it requires agreement from every Belgium 'state'.

 

[fat old seagull]

I'm doing a booze cruise to Belgium next month, possibly my last ever if the decline in the Pound continues.. Looks like I will get about €1.05 to the £, down from about €1.25 the last time I went. Will not be worth doing in 6 months at this rate.

On the upside of course, foreigners are having a ball with the value of the € against the £.

 

[brakespear]

So are schizoid multiple personalities!

sopeople who disagree with you are mentally ill? Nice.

 

[vegster]

On the upside of course, foreigners are having a ball with the value of the € against the £.

That is of no help to me of course....it will be Spoons with the other winos for me