[Politics] Brexit

[Green Cross Code Man]

Yes. Is this your 'idea' or realistic govt plan

'They should be paying a decent living wage. I am not an economist nor am I businessman, but I don't believe it is good business to underpay people. I would also change the benefit system so that everyone in the country receives a nationally agreed salary. That would save millions in benefits and help those living with wages closer to the lower limits of the minimum wage.'

Thanks very much, I also trawled through to look back. Was that controversial? I didn't think so. Just want people to be paid a fair wage, don't you agree?

 

[daveinprague]

Thanks very much, I also trawled through to look back. Was that controversial? I didn't think so. Just want people to be paid a fair wage, don't you agree?

Well, this is the point isnt it. Currently migrant workers earn approx 60 quid pw. A living wage for a British workers doing the sane work would be what, and would it be sustainable for British farmers?

 

[pastafarian]

There will be a stampede of British pickers next summer..... it's the only way many of us will be tasting a Strawberry when the price hikes kick in.

Im sure sensible heads will prevail when we have left the EU
If its identified there is a shortage of labour in a particular area (fruit pickers being the case in question) we will no doubt be able to issue work permits accordingly.
Maybe even start up again The Seasonal. Agricultural Workers Scheme that was abandoned a couple of years ago after Bulgaria and Romania gained full free movement.
It worked fine for 60 years.
At least with regaining control of our borders we can stop gangmasters legally bringing in any top dick or harry from Eastern Europe and continue to try to reduce the exploitation.

This is a good example of the sensible control of our borders people wanted.

The difficult trick of course is to reduce the numbers required from abroad and replace them with UK nationals and somehow persuade them this work even though its temporary and seasonal is beneficial to undertake as opposed to being out of work and on benefits……not an easy task, the incentives (not just financial) will have to be good.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Well, this is the point isnt it. Currently migrant workers earn approx 60 quid pw. A living wage for a British workers doing the sane work would be what, and would it be sustainable for British farmers?

You make a good point. And it's one that as I said I'm unqualified to comment on specifically. I would however imagine that unless the migrant workers are working very short hours, that their employer is breaking the law and not paying the minimum wage. Whether paying workers a fair amount, (be they British or otherwise, as personally I think that if one does a job one should be paid the same whichever race one is from) would cause farmers trouble or not is open to question. The question I would ask if should farmers be paying people fairly or exploiting them?

 

[daveinprague]

You make a good point. And it's one that as I said I'm unqualified to comment on specifically. I would however imagine that unless the migrant workers are working very short hours, that their employer is breaking the law and not paying the minimum wage. Whether paying workers a fair amount, (be they British or otherwise, as personally I think that if one does a job one should be paid the same whichever race one is from) would cause farmers trouble or not is open to question. The question I would ask if should farmers be paying people fairly or exploiting them?

Im sure they would be able to pay up, but the consequences would be much higher prices for the consumer. Its tricky

 

[alfredmizen]

Theres idiots on here who actually believe that when foreign fruit and veg pickers leave, they will be replaced by British workers earning £270 a week. Dont incur their wrath either

Farmers will have experience to pay up to attract people to pick their crops it's very simple , if their isnt the any cheap labour that is.what they will have to do , even you should be able.to grasp that.

 

[The Rivet]

not sure what world you refer to, 1 bed flats are more like £150pw in Brighton. confusing pw with pcm?

Yep, typo in haste but it was fun watching the fools react to what they know is a typo.

 

[daveinprague]

Farmers will have experience to pay up to attract people to pick their crops it's very simple , if their isnt the any cheap labour that is.what they will have to do , even you should be able.to grasp that.

I understand very well. Im sure the farmers will not pass on the price hike to the consumer. See, I can live in cloud cuckoo land just like you

 

[daveinprague]

Yep, typo in haste but it was fun watching the fools react to what they know is a typo.

not many 'typos' include entire words. Well done.

Was your suggestion that fruit/veg pickers could earn £270 pw another 'typo'?

 

[studio150]

Yep, typo in haste but it was fun watching the fools react to what they know is a typo.

So much so that you had to go into a tirade suggesting your children had been insulted and moving to Hull wasmt an option.
A lame excuse to say a typo but if it keeps you happy

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So how many NSC leavers signed Councillor Holliday's petition before it was withdraw.
So strange things on Brexit but this must be the daftest - Making it treason if anyone supports the UK remaining in or joining in the future the EU.
Madness

It's little different to some of the nonsense you get accused of on here if you don't agree with the direction the UK is going in.

 

[vegster]

For the benefit of those who don't read or subscribe to The Times:

Brexiteers don’t want a brick wall at our border

Michael Gove

Ignore the distortions of the Remainers — June 23 was a vote for democratic control, not for a blanket ban on migration



http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexiteers-dont-want-a-brick-wall-at-our-border-gpnpq87jq

But now we have " Lost Control "... We are being told by our unelected new Prime Minister that the three stooges, Fox, Johnson and Davies will work out the best deal we can get with Europe and that's that. No oversight, no scrutiny, no chance of saying no to what we will be given.
Ironically by " Taking Back Control " we have now put ourselves at the mercies of the financial markets and European leaders with the interests of their own countries at heart. Countries riled by our various whinging renegotiations and demands for exclusion from various rules on spurious grounds, countries whose MP's Nigel Farage insulted and tried to ridicule on a regular basis.. Are these countries minded to give us any sort of preferential deal?
Let's hope so, as they are in control now.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

But now we have " Lost Control "... We are being told by our unelected new Prime Minister that the three stooges, Fox, Johnson and Davies will work out the best deal we can get with Europe and that's that. No oversight, no scrutiny, no chance of saying no to what we will be given.
Ironically by " Taking Back Control " we have now put ourselves at the mercies of the financial markets and European leaders with the interests of their own countries at heart. Countries riled by our various whinging renegotiations and demands for exclusion from various rules on spurious grounds, countries whose MP's Nigel Farage insulted and tried to ridicule on a regular basis.. Are these countries minded to give us any sort of preferential deal?
Let's hope so, as they are in control now.

All of that is incredibly one sided. Unelected prime minister? I am aware that the leader of a party influences the result of an election. However we have NEVER elected a pm. So that's nonsense for a start. The other complaint you have about the 3 stooges as you call them, is simply our government at work, perhaps it's another thing you dislike about democracy, I.e. those in charge carrying out the wishes of the people. As for Europe, what a wonderful institution you describe, you explain all too well how you feel regarding the vindictive nature of the EU and its leaders, I thought we were all friends? It seems that if one of us wishes to go our own way, the rest may well take a dim view and act retributively. That's a great recommendation for the EU isn't it, do as we say or we'll punish you. You also ignore the fact that we won't be saddled by block negotiation for trade deals with countries outside the union.

What do you think of the comments made by Otmar Ossing yesterday? He doesn't paint the bright utopian picture of the EU. In fact no remainers seemed interested in what he had to say. Strange that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...f-cards-ecb-single-currency-a7364826.html?amp

 

[beorhthelm]

But now we have " Lost Control "... We are being told by our unelected new Prime Minister that the three stooges, Fox, Johnson and Davies will work out the best deal we can get with Europe and that's that. No oversight, no scrutiny, no chance of saying no to what we will be given.

is that a fact or is that a twist on the position by remainers that still wont accept the result? as far as i can tell the governments said there will be oversight but not a vote on every whimsey from the MPs. do you recall how all law and regulation from EU was debated in parliament? no? right now there isnt anything to vote on, we dont know the full extent to what the three stooges are planning. i do thing they should be giving some broad outlines on strategy, aiming to produce a Green paper, asking the MPs and public for input on top line direction. but they arent so what exactly do the likes of Clegg and Miliband (ironic the losing leaders are leading opposition, where's Corbyn?) want a vote on?

 

[cunning fergus]

Im sure they would be able to pay up, but the consequences would be much higher prices for the consumer. Its tricky

The consumer in the EU is already paying higher prices for produce, thanks to the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).

Of all the EU policy areas that remainers want to draw out as a problem of leaving the EU this is not one of them if they want to side withconsumers.

The CAP is nothing short of a scam on a huge scale, its quite simply unsustainable.

Farmers (or should that be landowners) in the U.K. and in the EU are not living in the real world, simply subsidising them for being uncompetitive against non EU competition is not the answer, and it's an example of how hypocritical the EU is............if the Govt have the consumers interest at heart they should hold its nerve and dismantle subsidies post Brexit UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/21/waste-cash-leavers-in-out-land-subsidie

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Im sure they would be able to pay up, but the consequences would be much higher prices for the consumer. Its tricky

Any business starts, in my option, with paying the employees decent living wages. Period.

And it doesn't have to mean higher consumer prices though. It can encourage businesses to operate smarter and more efficiently and maybe replace the dead-wood with better. And does it really matter if some costs are passed onto the consumer? It might make us a bit more savvy about how we all spend our cash.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Farmers will have experience to pay up to attract people to pick their crops it's very simple , if their isnt the any cheap labour that is.what they will have to do , even you should be able.to grasp that.

I really hope so; and it doesn't lead to cheap imports. That goon who owns Whetherspoons was going on about buying cheap New Zealand cheese the other day.

 

[cunning fergus]

All of that is incredibly one sided. Unelected prime minister? I am aware that the leader of a party influences the result of an election. However we have NEVER elected a pm. So that's nonsense for a start. The other complaint you have about the 3 stooges as you call them, is simply our government at work, perhaps it's another thing you dislike about democracy, I.e. those in charge carrying out the wishes of the people. As for Europe, what a wonderful institution you describe, you explain all too well how you feel regarding the vindictive nature of the EU and its leaders, I thought we were all friends? It seems that if one of us wishes to go our own way, the rest may well take a dim view and act retributively. That's a great recommendation for the EU isn't it, do as we say or we'll punish you. You also ignore the fact that we won't be saddled by block negotiation for trade deals with countries outside the union.

What do you think of the comments made by Otmar Ossing yesterday? He doesn't paint the bright utopian picture of the EU. In fact no remainers seemed interested in what he had to say. Strange that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...f-cards-ecb-single-currency-a7364826.html?amp

The next crisis is potentially not that far away.

Italy has a referendum in Dec which the Govt appears to be on course to lose.

If that happens Renzi (current PM) has stated he will resign.

The reason Renzi is likely to lose is nothing to do with the underlying objective of the referendum, it's because he is unpopular given Italy's economic woes and ongoing banking crisis.

Under EU before a Govt could bail out its banks, the bond holders should take a haircut. Trouble is in Italy the bond holders include normal Joes who invest in bank bonds as a more reliable investment for pensions and wealth creation.

The EU will either have to break its rules again, or Italy's banks could collapse.........arriverdercci the euro, and the EU.

What a nice Christmas present that could be.........

http://www.economiccalendar.com/201...y-an-uphill-battle-as-financial-crisis-looms/

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

so what exactly do the likes of Clegg and Miliband (ironic the losing leaders are leading opposition, where's Corbyn?) want a vote on?

Corbyn is remaining quiet as he is glad that we voted leave.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The consumer in the EU is already paying higher prices for produce, thanks to the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).

Of all the EU policy areas that remainers want to draw out as a problem of leaving the EU this is not one of them if they want to side withconsumers.

The CAP is nothing short of a scam on a huge scale, its quite simply unsustainable.

Farmers (or should that be landowners) in the U.K. and in the EU are not living in the real world, simply subsidising them for being uncompetitive against non EU competition is not the answer, and it's an example of how hypocritical the EU is............if the Govt have the consumers interest at heart they should hold its nerve and dismantle subsidies post Brexit UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/21/waste-cash-leavers-in-out-land-subsidie

Spot on.

I find it strange that no remainers are complaining about this. One can only assume that, like the EU itself, self interest is at the heart of it.

http://capx.co/how-the-eu-starves-africa-into-submission/

https://www.theguardian.com/global-.../11/eu-agriculture-hurts-developing-countries