[Politics] Brexit

[Green Cross Code Man]

I haven't seen the Independent for a while. What's wrong with it, Brexit-wise? The Times seems pretty balanced to me and has good writers on both sides of the argument. The Telegraph is a dear old thing and I enjoy it in small doses, rabid Brexiteering and all. It gives me a clue as to what my Outer friends might be thinking. I'm afraid we won't have the Mail or Express or Sun in the house. They are mendacious, xenophobic and biased propaganda tools.

I think the independent is the remain equivalent of the express, mail etc. It feels like reading propaganda to me as well. My father in law reads the mail. I cannot even bear to pick the thing up.

 

[studio150]

So how many NSC leavers signed Councillor Holliday's petition before it was withdraw.
So strange things on Brexit but this must be the daftest - Making it treason if anyone supports the UK remaining in or joining in the future the EU.
Madness

 

[One Love]

I'd think that one of the reasons for Remainers liking the Independent is that it has the sort of even-handed approach that allows it to publish articles from people with different opinions to their own. I like The Times for the same reason. (Gove's piece this week was beautifully put together. Disagreed with almost all of it but it made me pause and think.) I know the Brexiteers prefer the Mail, Express and Sun but I'm not sure you could call those papers open-handed.

So according to Gove, all the leavers voted the way they did for the same reasons that he wanted to.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I think the independent is the remain equivalent of the express, mail etc. It feels like reading propaganda to me as well. My father in law reads the mail. I cannot even bear to pick the thing up.

There's a big difference. The Indy writers are generally Remainers and write what they believe, but there's no editorial whip on what they should say. Whereas the Mail and Express have a strict editorial line and woe betide anyone who doesn't stick to it. What is truly surreal is that the Indy and Mail occupy the same premises. When I first went there to work for the Indy I was met by someone in tracksuit bottoms and a t-shirt.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

So according to Gove, all the leavers voted the way they did for the same reasons that he wanted to.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

As someone who worked at The Times when he was an associate editor, I can assure you that that will be his view. In his strange mind, he is always 100 percent correct about everything. The prospect of him winning the Tory leadership and becoming PM was as frightening in its way as Trump becoming US President.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

As someone who worked at The Times when he was an associate editor, I can assure you that that will be his view. In his strange mind, he is always 100 percent correct about everything. The prospect of him winning the Tory leadership and becoming PM was as frightening in its way as Trump becoming US President.

Interesting, and you would certainly know. As a fan of his prose, I always thought The Stabber came across as the most cerebral of the gang.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

There's a big difference. The Indy writers are generally Remainers and write what they believe, but there's no editorial whip on what they should say. Whereas the Mail and Express have a strict editorial line and woe betide anyone who doesn't stick to it. What is truly surreal is that the Indy and Mail occupy the same premises. When I first went there to work for the Indy I was met by someone in tracksuit bottoms and a t-shirt.

That is interesting. Thanks. I read what the Indy says but to be honest never read the mail etc. At least the Indy writers have conviction, but I honestly don't feel that what I have read has been balanced.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

So how many NSC leavers signed Councillor Holliday's petition before it was withdraw.
So strange things on Brexit but this must be the daftest - Making it treason if anyone supports the UK remaining in or joining in the future the EU.
Madness

Don't know anything about it. Sounds ridiculous.

 

[portslade seagull]

So how many NSC leavers signed Councillor Holliday's petition before it was withdraw.
So strange things on Brexit but this must be the daftest - Making it treason if anyone supports the UK remaining in or joining in the future the EU.
Madness

Probably some weird retort to all the desperate things coming from the other side. No idea who councillor Holliday is though

 

[Berty23]

If gove really believes that then he will surely admit that the bus was a waste of money as it made no difference!

 

[studio150]

Probably some weird retort to all the desperate things coming from the other side. No idea who councillor Holliday is though

Don't know anything about it. Sounds ridiculous.

Enjoy the weirdest fallout from Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/17/call-to-keep-uk-in-eu-should-be-treason-urges-tory-councillors-petition

 

[pastafarian]

So how many NSC leavers signed Councillor Holliday's petition before it was withdraw.
So strange things on Brexit but this must be the daftest - Making it treason if anyone supports the UK remaining in or joining in the future the EU.
Madness

it hasnt been withdrawn
its still going....and yes its utterly ridiculous

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168882

signed

 

[pastafarian]

If gove really believes that then he will surely admit that the bus was a waste of money as it made no difference!

careful chap
there are a couple of people left on here (possibly 3) that think the opposite and that the bus was a game changer.
you will incur their wrath

 

[daveinprague]

Theres idiots on here who actually believe that when foreign fruit and veg pickers leave, they will be replaced by British workers earning £270 a week. Dont incur their wrath either

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Theres idiots on here who actually believe that when foreign fruit and veg pickers leave, they will be replaced by British workers earning £270 a week. Dont incur their wrath either

There are also idiots on here who think the EU economy is doing well and the Euro is a strong currency.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Probably some weird retort to all the desperate things coming from the other side. No idea who councillor Holliday is though

Yep, it's our fault some of the NSC Brexiteers regularly accused us of being traitors. Please accept our apologies. You are right.

 

[daveinprague]

There are also idiots on here who think the EU economy is doing well and the Euro is a strong currency.

Glad you in particular responded. Would like to hear how this £270 a week will work. Please clarify. Maybe I misunderstood

 

[vegster]

Theres idiots on here who actually believe that when foreign fruit and veg pickers leave, they will be replaced by British workers earning £270 a week. Dont incur their wrath either

There will be a stampede of British pickers next summer..... it's the only way many of us will be tasting a Strawberry when the price hikes kick in.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Glad you in particular responded. Would like to hear how this £270 a week will work. Please clarify. Maybe I misunderstood

Why glad me in particular? I really have no idea what you're talking about? Is it because I mentioned the cap is a bad thing?

Perhaps it's because I can't pick a figure out of the air from which to tell you how much I think farmers should pay labourers? I've already said I'm neither a farmer or economist but that everyone should have a fair wage be they a farmer, labourer or otherwise. I think that workers should enjoy higher wages than those on benefits and I would support a national living wage similar to the one proposed by labour and some Scandinavian countries recently that would be paid to everyone in a job or not. I don't understand why you require such a precise answer?

How much do you think farmers should pay strawberry pickers?

 

[daveinprague]

Why glad me in particular? I really have no idea what you're talking about? Is it because I mentioned the cap is a bad thing?

Yes. Is this your 'idea' or realistic govt plan

'They should be paying a decent living wage. I am not an economist nor am I businessman, but I don't believe it is good business to underpay people. I would also change the benefit system so that everyone in the country receives a nationally agreed salary. That would save millions in benefits and help those living with wages closer to the lower limits of the minimum wage.'