[Politics] Brexit

[Neville's Breakfast]

I wish the Queen would just dissolve parliament and appoint Nicola Sturgeon PM.

I cant work out whether you are very unhappy or a true master of irony !

 

[SK1NT]

One man one vote and some are still not happy.

Can't be happy when some brexiters feel robbed of a vote when voting for blatant lies... i.e. 350mill to the NHS. The propaganda by the brexit campaign has been not far off a blatant jackanory..

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Good for Farage, they won't listen and now I don't care whether they do or not.

Farage at least has as vision, the others don't. A large majority would rather pocket their money for doing **** all. These people don't give a **** about the misery the EU has caused for millions of people. They live in a different world to normal people. We can all see what is wrong, yet nobody else will say it. I bet there are hundreds of other people who secretly agree with Farage.

 

[vegster]

The markets are up over 2% so far today.

I've just seen, I'm hoping it calms down and we can see where it is going over the next few years.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

One of us clearly doesn't.
I didn't say she could! She can negotiate with us though - nothing will be formally signed, but we can have agreement on a way forward. If the UK and Germany have common ground, it's going to be tricky for the EU to go against it.

But she can't though; this is an area (under Treaty) of EU, not member state, competence (responsibility). For AM to do such a thing would cause a s***storm of enormous proportion in the other 26 member states directed both at her, and possibly the UK, for being complicit in something that could be deemed illegal.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I cant work out whether you are very unhappy or a true master of irony !

I don't know anything anymore. Like her great, great grandmother I think The Queen should just take the mantle of 'Grandmother of Europe' and sort this whole sorry mess out for us.

 

[symyjym]

Actually, that seemed quite level headed.

Only if you cherry pick it.

I would say that accusing the EU members of not doing a day’s work in their lives is pretty ironic considering what our own silver spooned Parliament is made of.

He also challenged them with "the EU needs us more than we need the EU." If the EU can rise to his challenge they certainly will now so I am not too sure that his arrogance is helpful.

Even just the drop in the pound has had an impact that will pass itself onto the consumer. All those who voted Leave will be the first to complain when it hits their pockets and again on the Euro exchange rate on their Costa Del Sol holiday's.

A friend of mine has said the expenses added to his busines because of the drop in the pound is about £10k a month at the current rate.

 

[Two Professors]

Can I have a go at this?

The first thing I'd say is this...

"Don't worry. We're never ever going to ask you a single issue question again on a matter of such importance."

That's probably why you appear not to have a job at all-have a bit of a sarky attitude to the Boss,did you?

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Can't be happy when some brexiters feel robbed of a vote when voting for blatant lies... i.e. 350mill to the NHS. The propaganda by the brexit campaign has been not far off a blatant jackanory..

I seriously can't understand why so many people on either side refuse to acknowledge that both sides lied blatantly. Where is the punitive budget and why haven't we resigned straight away like Cameron and Osbourne said we would? And why most people seem to think that because they voted for certain reasons, everyone who voted the same way as them must also have voted for the same reasons. And refusing to believe that there are people who believed the lies on either side and voted accordingly.

I think it is appalling that after 2500 years of democracy, we get to choose between two sets of blatant liars.

 

[Hamilton]

This is Nigel Farage we're talking about, and he spoke for 6 minutes. Please list all of the (or at least several) things that he said that are unacceptable.

He insulted his fellow MEPs at a time when he should be trying to curry favour. His claims that the EU would need the UK now more than we would need it were woefully wide of the mark. His behaviour was appalling. This is not NSC we're talking about, it's important European politics. We are supposed to be building a reputation, not destroying it.

 

[Guy Crouchback]

Scotland got a standing ovation...

 

[symyjym]

5:36 check out the guy over the no. 123

Yep, pure comedy. I like the look on the girls face at 4:00

 

[Hamilton]

What influence did we have in the EU ?

We were one of the big 3. Nothing actually happened without the UK, Germany and France being in on it.

What influence did we have? Are you only just asking this question now?

Just because legislation was enacted that we did not like, it did not mean that it wasn't in the interests of the bloc as a whole. FFS

People are asking basic questions that they should have throughly researched before putting pencil to paper.

 

[fat old seagull]

Would you rather a link form the SUN, or the MIRROR, or EXPRESS or TELEGRAPH?

Which papers are the believable ones then?

Doesn't matter which paper you link on here someone will tell you its not true.

Fortunately I've evolved from 'The Dandy' right throughout the whole spectrum of newsprint, and realised that I've actually not advanced at all. They are all telling porkies in order to support their own politics, or agendas....as I give you credit to having already digested.

 

[Hamilton]

We certainly should be holding the Government to account on these issues. Are you saying though that under a scenario where a majority of the electorate wants to stay in the EU but a Government takes us out then you would support this as a better option than holding a referendum ? This is not an inconceivable possibility for the future as with Labour in disarray the electorate may increase the next Tory Boris Johnson majority and yet the demographics may switch decisively to Remain if the young bother to vote in numbers. It could then be argued that the Leaving process should be suspended pending a referendum. I am not necessarily arguing for this (you may have noticed that I am a Leave voter !) but I don't agree with your logic.Regardless of your EU views surely you can appreciate the view that constitutional issues should be settled by referendums ?

Such a scenario would not arise. If that were the case the government would not have been elected in the first place. The Tories would not go to the country with a pledge they would not support as a parliamentary party. Remember, most MPs know how mad leaving the EU is. It's the electorate that doesn't.

 

[Guinness Boy]

People are asking basic questions that they should have throughly researched before putting pencil to paper.

I was at cricket on Friday with a bunch of guys that included three City traders. They were obviously keeping half an eye on goings on re public reaction and the markets. One reported that the biggest Google search of the day had been "what happens if you leave the EU?". This was Friday. the day AFTER the election. Hmmm.

 

[severnside gull]

We are already in negotiations with Merkel. Where do you get the idea we're not?

From Merkel who very publicly states there will be no negotiations formal or informal on Brexit until we trigger Article 50.
I really think you need to check your information sources.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Such a scenario would not arise. If that were the case the government would not have been elected in the first place. The Tories would not go to the country with a pledge they would not support as a parliamentary party. Remember, most MPs know how mad leaving the EU is. It's the electorate that doesn't.

It's a theoretical example. I was discussing (and disagreeing with) your idea that a referendum is always a bad idea. If you rule something out forever that hasn't delivered the result you want then you may in the future get an unintended consequence. I also disagree with your last point as most current MPs believe it is mad to leave the EU, they do not know it is mad to leave the EU. That does not mean that this will be the majority view of MPs in 5 years time. I know you hold passionate views but be cautious that you do not confuse belief and knowledge. We live in a society that values the democratic exchange of beliefs not one where there are immutable truths that must not be defied. Thank goodness !

 

[Two Professors]

Scotland got a standing ovation...

Getting the begging bowl out already

 

[Hamilton]

It's a theoretical example. I was discussing (and disagreeing with) your idea that a referendum is always a bad idea. If you rule something out forever that hasn't delivered the result you want then you may in the future get an unintended consequence. I also disagree with your last point as most current MPs believe it is mad to leave the EU, they do not know it is mad to leave the EU. That does not mean that this will be the majority view of MPs in 5 years time. I know you hold passionate views but be cautious that you do not confuse belief and knowledge. We live in a society that values the democratic exchange of beliefs not one where there are immutable truths that must not be defied. Thank goodness !

Of course, as has been the case with Leave throughout, none of this is TRUE. Just circa 130 MPs supported leaving the EU. But this is the problem, why let the TRUTH get in the way?


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