[Politics] Brexit

[Triggaaar]

From Merkel who very publicly states there will be no negotiations formal or informal on Brexit until we trigger Article 50.

She's already been discussing the options. She said that we couldn't have free access to the single market without the free movement of people, capital and goods.

I really think you need to check your information sources.

We'll see shall we.

 

[Hamilton]

But by default your position is that Outers, including 158 declared MP's are unintelligent and uninformed, at least have humility to accept that some of the MP's have an insight to why they were campaigning and voting to leave the EU, many of them, if you deem it relevant have more knowledge than you or I.

Perhaps there comes a time in a referendum, that you have been open minded but ultimately a decision must be forged and on balance you either stay with the status quo or you feel justified to think there are better opportunities outside of the EU, each side isnt really extreme or ignorant or one better than the other.

I'll accept that people will have seen an argument that they could give clear voice to. I'd still suggest that view was misguided.


Sent from my iPhone in a non-Calde world :-(

 

[Seagull58]

They want to trade with the UK too, they will not turn a free trade and free movement offer down.

So? Did I say that was a problem?

It's difficult to predict, but I think there's now more chance of EU reform, we are better placed to do trade deals with the global market, we can change our position with the EU at any time, and choose to control immigration if it really gets out of hand, we're not going to be in so much trouble if countries like Greece fail and the Euro collapses.

And they can't ask us to pay another billion in at a few days notice because we've been doing better than the others.

 

[Hamilton]

They are always insulting each other though.
As above, you talk up your side before a negotiation. To suggest that is unacceptable is ridiculous.

So I've asked for a list of things that he said that were unacceptable, and you've got the joke he said about MEPs (rude, but seriously, grow a pair) and that he said the EU need us. Wow.

For the record, I don't like Farage, I'd never vote for his scummy party, but I was expecting a lot worse when I clicked on the link.

It's not his side.

Cameron's replacement will be involved in that. Farage is supposed to be an MEP focused on legislation - accept he never bothered.


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[BigGully]

I'll accept that people will have seen an argument that they could give clear voice to. I'd still suggest that view was misguided.


Sent from my iPhone in a non-Calde world :-(

Thats just called disagreement, nothing more .............................

 

[Titanic]

How do you feel about the next prime minister being unelected?

We never elect our Prime Minister.

That said, I feel about the same as when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair. Don't really like it, but it is the way the system works.

 

[Triggaaar]

It's not his side.

Your saying that the UK are not his side? He was talking the UK up, which is his side.

 

[SK1NT]

We never elect our Prime Minister.

That said, I feel about the same as when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair. Don't really like it, but it is the way the system works.

We get a choice between parties who we want to lead us

 

[Seagull58]

From Merkel who very publicly states there will be no negotiations formal or informal on Brexit until we trigger Article 50.
I really think you need to check your information sources.

Cameron talked with Merkel on Sunday, he is talking with her again today. It may not be "negotiations" but it is certainly discussion about what happens next and how to come t an agreement.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

But,The UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years

Taking one line out of context with the rest of the article, well done. It said that you cannot draw conclusions from that either and it may be that the UK was on the losing side but British MEPS weren't

 

[Seagull58]

How do you feel about the next prime minister being unelected?

The prime minister is not directly elected in our democracy, never has been. The next PM will be a constituency elected MP.

 

[c0lz]

Taking one line out of context with the rest of the article, well done. It said that you cannot draw conclusions from that either and it may be that the UK was on the losing side but British MEPS weren't

Ok two lines for you

The UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years

In recent years the UK has been more often on the losing side of these votes.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

Ok two lines for you

The UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years

In recent years the UK has been more often on the losing side of these votes.

As your scroll down feature isn't working i'll paste some of the article further down

"It is relatively common for a UK government minister to vote ‘no’ to a measure that many British MEPs support.

In fact, on several occasions a minister has voted ‘No’ to a measure supported by a majority of British MEPs, including those from the minister’s own party."

So as clear as mud. You cannot take anything either way from these meaningless stats

 

[Seagull58]

not by us

He will have been elected as an MP by his constituents and then elected as PM by the party membership. No PM has ever been directly elected by the population at large.

 

[SK1NT]

The prime minister is not directly elected in our democracy, never has been. The next PM will be a constituency elected MP.

this is what i am saying we do not choose the prime minister however we choose the party with the guy leading it...forget it... point lost now

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

this is what i am saying we do not choose the prime minister however we choose the party with the guy leading it...forget it... point lost now

don't all party members get a vote in the candidate (assuming there is more than 1)?

 

[Seagull58]

We get a choice between parties who we want to lead us

But we don't elect a PM.

 

[Yoda]

Ok two lines for you

The UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years

In recent years the UK has been more often on the losing side of these votes.

Stop nit picking. The records only relate to votes on proposed laws that eventually pass.

So we simply do not know how often the UK successfully opposed proposals, or failed to get things it wanted, as these are not mentioned in the official figures.

Also, the records don't tell us about how important the decisions were. The UK might have been on the winning side on all the issues it really cared about.

 

[c0lz]

As your scroll down feature isn't working i'll paste some of the article further down

"It is relatively common for a UK government minister to vote ‘no’ to a measure that many British MEPs support.

In fact, on several occasions a minister has voted ‘No’ to a measure supported by a majority of British MEPs, including those from the minister’s own party."

So as clear as mud. You cannot take anything either way from these meaningless stats

You quoted : You may be forgetting the 2,500+ occasions where the UK has agreed with a measure, and won. I just replied That the UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years

 

[Seagull58]

this is what i am saying we do not choose the prime minister however we choose the party with the guy leading it...forget it... point lost now

Ah right, so you meant how do you feel in general about not having an elected PM rather than how do you feel in the specific upcoming case where the PM is being replaced.