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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Yeah, I heard this, but took it with a prince of salt as well. It could be a common entry to find a much visited page to revisit some information. But you're right, too many people were uninformed and voted on feeling rather than insight.
What did the City boys say about what will happen next? We'll have this market silliness for a few weeks I think and then it will settle, but the issue will be that growth and tax receipts will just be depressed long-term. We'll have to borrow more to invest. My view.
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SK1NT
Well-known member
How do you feel about the next prime minister being unelected?
SK1NT
Well-known member
lol but they all turned to Mark Carney for guidance when the Sterling plummeted on Fri and yet before the referendum brexiters were sold the lie that he couldn't be trusted and we don't need experts.
c0lz
North East Stand.
We were one of the big 3. Nothing actually happened without the UK, Germany and France being in on it.
What influence did we have? Are you only just asking this question now?
Just because legislation was enacted that we did not like, it did not mean that it wasn't in the interests of the bloc as a whole. FFS
People are asking basic questions that they should have throughly researched before putting pencil to paper.
On 72 occasions in the Council of Ministers where the United Kingdom has opposed a particular measure. Of those 72 occasions, we had lost 72 times. One of the big 3 lol,
You may be forgetting the 2,500+ occasions where the UK has agreed with a measure, and won.
JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
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There were mixed views. Everyone thought the initial stock market losses were too sharp (BA down 50% and Aviva 60% were highlights, much of it now recovered), that the pound wouldn't get back to anything like pre-referendum levels until there was stability in the political situation and that a Remain vote would obviously have been better for stability because we would all know where we are. Markets don't like unknowns and there are plenty of them still, though the actual direction of the vote will give some traders some confidence.
One of those misleading facts. We just don't know, because we don't have the data to determine whether we are always on the losing side. Although I thought Europe was supposed to winner.
What we do know, though, from official EU voting records is that the British government has voted ‘No’ to EU proposals on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ to legislative proposals 2,466 times since 1999. In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%. Just pointing out how many times the UK government ‘lost’ is hence a misleading picture of what has happened.
And for balance, when the UK is outvoted on budgetary matters, as it has been several times, one could argue that this has implications for all EU taxpayers, but would affect how much each UK taxpayer paid into the EU budget only marginally.
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When you type those words, doesn't even a little bit of you feel it sounds elitist and patronising, just a tiny little bit of your inner better self ..................
If you crudely accept that people voting Leave were uniformed, why would you think if they hypothetically were suddenly informed that they would vote like you, are you saying every one of the 158 MP's that voted to Leave were uniformed and had no insight ??
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
The next Prime Minister will be an elected MP.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
If you look at the markets each day and try to draw conclusions you will oscillate between ecstasy and despair on a very regular basis. The only way forward is to take any short term movements with a pinch of salt, since they are partially driven by emotion and not fundamentals.
When you type those words, doesn't even a little bit of you feel it sounds elitist and patronising, just a tiny little bit of your inner better self ..................
If you crudely accept that people voting Leave were uniformed, why would you think if they hypothetically were suddenly informed that they would vote like you, are you saying every one of the 158 MP's that voted to Leave were uniformed and had no insight ??
No. I'm not being rude, I'm stating simple truths.
We live in a world where some people are very intelligent and some are not intelligent at all.
I agree we could debate the anti and pre-EU dogma which will sit on both sides. Many have entrenched views that are not open-minded.
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It's not illegal for her to discuss things with us, it's not under treaty that she can't discuss things with us.
East Preston Gull
New member
What a lickspittle!. If that's what Scotland has come too. My God, that is embarrassing. Scotland and the EU made for each other.
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It was just a cheeky piss take. You've seen him before, right?
That's just him talking up our side. You don't go into negotiations talking up the other side do you, it's hardly offensive.
I'm off to France tomorrow, I haven't complained.
They are always insulting each other though.
As above, you talk up your side before a negotiation. To suggest that is unacceptable is ridiculous.
So I've asked for a list of things that he said that were unacceptable, and you've got the joke he said about MEPs (rude, but seriously, grow a pair) and that he said the EU need us. Wow.
For the record, I don't like Farage, I'd never vote for his scummy party, but I was expecting a lot worse when I clicked on the link.
But by default your position is that Outers, including 158 declared MP's are unintelligent and uninformed, at least have humility to accept that some of the MP's have an insight to why they were campaigning and voting to leave the EU, many of them, if you deem it relevant have more knowledge than you or I.
Perhaps there comes a time in a referendum, that you are open minded but ultimately a decision must be forged and on balance you either stay with the status quo or you feel justified to think there are better opportunities outside of the EU, each side isnt really extreme or ignorant or one better than the other.
c0lz
North East Stand.
But,The UK has been in a losing minority more often over the past few years
SK1NT
Well-known member
not by us