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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Unlikely!
That wouldn't have workedI think you were being generous ... virtually everything?
Particularly the ones who cannot believe other people had good reasons for voting to leave.
East Preston Gull
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With the EU just about to look into France and the state aid of its Energy companies and the the imminent financial penalties to Spain, Portugal, Greece and Italy.
I predict we are witnessing the end of the EU and it's ever closer Union. Good Riddance to it.
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I predict we are witnessing the end of the EU and it's ever closer Union. Good Riddance to it.
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Two Professors
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Where is your evidence to support that statement?Yet again you seem to think if you say something,even without a shred of evidence to back it up,it's true.
Lincoln Imp
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Of course there were people who thought carefully about it and decided they had good reasons for voting Leave. I have one or two among my closest friends. So if anyone really said on here that all Leave voters were racist bigots, protesters about other things, routine xenophobes, those irrationally terrified of immigrant swarms or "people from the council estates" who thought the whole thing was an extension of X-Factor, then they are, as you say, thick and uneducated.
On the other hand, I'd guess that virtually all people in these categories did vote Leave and were certainly not discouraged to do so by the tone of much of the Brexit campaign.This isn't the fault of decent Brexiters who voted on the issues but it is idle of them to pretend that such people don't exist. (But pretend they will - we've even had someone on here denying that Leavers were more likely than Remainers to be pensioners.)
The interesting question is what proportion of Leave voters fell into the categories above. Ten per cent? A quarter? I don't know. But I'd be surprised if it wasn't enough to swing the result. As a thoughtful Brexit friend said to me: "I'm delighted with the result but I accept it was achieved by people voting for the wrong reasons."
You were doing OK up to that point!
Lincoln Imp
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If you've missed every single piece of evidence and post-vote polling that indicates that older and retired people were much more likely to have voted Leave than younger age groups then I am so astonished I can't even be bothered to provide references. Look it up yourself. Just Google it. I know you've been on holiday but goodness.
Lincoln Imp
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Even handed, that's me.
Baldseagull
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I may be wrong about one or two things, but not a great many. It may turn out that the leave result generates some changes in the E.U. and we end up remaining, in which case the result would have been good, but I am in no doubt that actually leaving will be bad for British people.
Captain Sensible
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I totally agree with your sentiment, although I feel a more likely outcome will be that the EU reforms on some level to appease those that are against it throughout Europe, in an effort to stop any other country leaving. Britain would then sit on the outside of the reformed EU that we would have most likely been quite happy within, and definitely more successful.
Baldseagull
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Give me your best reason, and I will tell you why I think you are wrong.
No point. I suspect whatever reason, you will think it is wrong!
There were reasons sure, not sure any of them were 'good' or stood up to analysis.
larus
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Latest surveys from Boe indicate that Brexit has had NO NOTICEABLE EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY. Wait, does this mean that even more of the Remain message was f***ing lies. No, that can't be so.
[FONT="]Following the release of the Bank of England's agents report which showed that there is no clear evidence of sharp Brexit slowdown, Adam Tyler, chief executive of the National Association of Commercial Finance Brokers reacts: [/FONT]
[FONT="]Following the release of the Bank of England's agents report which showed that there is no clear evidence of sharp Brexit slowdown, Adam Tyler, chief executive of the National Association of Commercial Finance Brokers reacts: [/FONT]
"Coupled with the robust jobs data published this morning, this latest report from the Bank of England will provide considerable encouragement to the UK business community.
"The findings are certainly consistent with what we are seeing on the ground, namely that most businesses are carrying on more or less as normal.
"Businesses are monitoring events closely, especially news surrounding future trading relations, but the corporate paralysis some suggested has simply not materialised.
"It's not quite business as usual, but for many businesses in many sectors it's not far off. The challenge now is to ensure businesses continue to receive the funding and support they need in the uncertain times ahead. Again, there is no sign, as yet, that bank funding has dried up.
"Businesses appear to have taken a very pragmatic view on recent political events. Be cautious, certainly, but don't be overwhelmed."
"The findings are certainly consistent with what we are seeing on the ground, namely that most businesses are carrying on more or less as normal.
"Businesses are monitoring events closely, especially news surrounding future trading relations, but the corporate paralysis some suggested has simply not materialised.
"It's not quite business as usual, but for many businesses in many sectors it's not far off. The challenge now is to ensure businesses continue to receive the funding and support they need in the uncertain times ahead. Again, there is no sign, as yet, that bank funding has dried up.
"Businesses appear to have taken a very pragmatic view on recent political events. Be cautious, certainly, but don't be overwhelmed."
Baldseagull
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Quality, detailed argument there mate, I can't imagine why I ever thought many leave voters hadn't thought about it.
Baldseagull
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We haven't done it yet, and what they are saying is that there is not a sharp decline, rather than no decline. Some businesses will be benefiting at the moment with a weak pound and we are still in the single market, those that are making changes are not rushing and until we invoke article 50 I would not change much, just hold off on any major investment.
Projects that were already underway or close to getting underway will continue, but see construction in 6 months, and consultancy and training providers, these will be the first to show.
Baldseagull
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I refer you to my previous reply to your previous post.