[Politics] Brexit

[Soulman]

Some of the Doomsayers have disappeared altogether, but I'm sure they are just itching for something drastically bad to go wrong so the can come crawling back

Probably waiting for the new season and praying the Guest Beer is..............wait for it................................DOOM BAR.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Watched that Brexit programme for about 10 mins last night and in the end turned it off. Stupid women in the front row, seen her on other programmes. She likes to try and find racism in absolutely everything. Sooner these people sod off, the better. We have had 10-15 years of this crap, it is time to move on.

Caroline lucas
regards
DR

 

[portslade seagull]

Think the IMF are vying for the same recognition on economic forecasting as Uncle Spielberg has for snow predictions

Winter is coming !!!

 

[Soulman]

7 point lead.....we're doomed.

 

[portslade seagull]

7 point lead.....we're doomed.

We haven't played yet but like your optimism

 

[Soulman]

We haven't played yet but like your optimism

Actually i meant the 7 point lead that Labour had going into the last GE....but a great doomer anyway.

 

[Soulman]

A FAMILY has decided to treat the referendum result as an overwrought personal drama.

The Sheridan family from Nottingham is making the most of the dramatic potential of the crisis, in a thinly-veiled attempt to milk some attention out of it.

Mum Donna said: “I just keep watching the news and crying. It’s like a nuclear war except without any fatalities.

“Then my husband said ‘Don’t worry, I’m going to get us through this!’, like Kevin Costner in a PG-rated disaster movie. Except Kevin Costner wouldn’t have voted Leave.

“My husband’s name was Pete but now it’s Judas.”

13-year-old son Martin said: ““I had an argument with dad, but it fizzled out because the football came on and I was texting a friend anyway. This is how it must have been in the English Civil War.”

His younger brother Robert said: “Leaving the EU means there’s no future for the younger generation, so I’ll probably move to a thriving economy like China where they need people with HNDs in performing arts.

“That’s if a British Nazi party hasn’t taken over and put me in a camp for being a member of the Lego Club.”

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...elodramatic-twats-about-brexit-20160628109895

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Yeah those older and retired folk, what would they know, probably all been on the dole all their lives and watched others do their national service, payed no tax......any way it was only them, all 17million plus that voted Leave, just think of it...17million plus old and retired folk voting Leave, none voting In by the way..

Calm down. I didn't criticise older people for disproportionately voting Leave, I merely pointed out that they did. (This was after one of your fellow Brexiters claimed that there was no evidence of this.)

 

[Hampster Gull]

Lots of very arrogant posts here from the leavers. Perhaps not close to what is happening in the boardrooms across the country. Investment being slashed, projects delayed. It may not be in your face (and events my change that it never is), but to think the good ship chauvinist is sailing along with no impact shows a lack of iq and eq

 

[Soulman]

Lots of very arrogant posts here from the leavers. Perhaps not close to what is happening in the boardrooms across the country. Investment being slashed, projects delayed. It may not be in your face (and events my change that it never is), but to think the good ship chauvinist is sailing along with no impact shows a lack of iq and eq

"arrogant", most of us have gone beyond the doom and second referendum etc and have turned to jesting. We can jest in between the waves of doom i think.
The Remainers were the arrogant ones, arrogant because you thought IN was a walk in the park, and arrogant because you label those that voted out as having low Iq's, racists, dumb, old and retired etc etc.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

you sound like a class elitist and a complete dinlo
regards
DR

Straight and simple question. What part of my post made you call me a class elitist?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Somebody who still believes what pollsters say-you just couldn't make it up

Hold on. You can lolol away as much as you like but are you saying that the research (carried out after June 23 of course) into which way various demographic groups voted was wrong?

 

[B-right-on]

I believe the original predictions of doom and gloom were on the basis of immediate invocation of article 50. If and when that happens I expect it to get pretty gloomy.

You believe wrong. That was never ever part of any of the doom-mongers statements. There was just no qualifications on their statements. George Osbourne does his Emergency Budget when we invoke article 50? (oh he can't - lol). We go into immediate recession when we invoice article 50? Intereast Rates hike when we invoke article 50? Obummers 'back of the line' starts when we invoke article 50? and so on and so on and so on...........

Did you hear one of those statements I certaintly didn't and I watched and read a lot. It was all if we 'Leave'.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

BUNGLING International Monetary Fund officials have claimed Britain’s economy will grow faster than Germany’s and France’s just weeks after warning Brexit would have a “severe” impact on the economy.
Officials are facing a humiliating climbdown after claiming Britain would face a recession if the country opted to leave the European Union.

But now the IMF expects the British economy to grow by 1.7 per cent this year and 1.3 per cent in 2017.
The forecast puts the UK’s economy as the second-fastest growing economy in 2016 among the G7 industrialised nations, second only to the US.

The embarrassing backtrack by the financial watchdog comes after a string of anti-Brexit stories prior to the historic referendum last month.
IMF managing director Christine Lagarde, said Brexit would be “very very bad” for Britain but latest forecasts now suggest otherwise.

Mrs Lagarde was forced to backtrack in 2013 after the IMF predicted the UK was “playing with fire” for implementing austerity measures, only to see the UK economy shoot up as a result of the measures.

She later admitted the IMF “got it wrong” over its forecast.
Ousted director general of the British Chamber of Commerce John Longworth, who backed Brexit, said: “Talk of Armageddon seems to be receding.

“This is not surprising. If the Government adopts the right policies, we will be in a position where all the doom and gloom that was predicted simply disappears.”

A Treasury spokesman said: “Our country remains open for business. We are the same outward-looking, globally-minded, big-thinking country we have always been.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/69...ritain-economy-growing-despite-Brexit-doom-EU

I know this is not the news many wanted, so just close your eyes, fingers in the ears and hum Dixie.

And reading on, Maurice Obstfeld of the IMF said that the IMF had been planning to revise up its growth for the world economy but Brexit had thrown a spanner in the works. The organisation said that its forecasts were based on the assumption that the EU and the UK would avoid a large increase in economic barriers. However, it has also drawn up 'severe' scenarios for the next two years, which include... Britain failing to agree a trading agreement with the EU.

Note that David Davis appears quite sanguine about not reaching such an agreement.

Carry on believing the risible Daily Express if you wish but far from being out of the woods most people think the economy hasn't even entered them yet.

 

[B-right-on]

Hold on. You can lolol away as much as you like but are you saying that the research (carried out after June 23 of course) into which way various demographic groups voted was wrong?

These are EXACTLY THE SAME pollsters that predicted a 'tight race' in the last general Election. Polling is only about WHO they ask. Have you ever looked at how many people are asked? On average its about 3000 people asked. As a proportion of the UK population, a pathetically small .0000468% are actually asked. Any you think they could be right - in any way shape or form?

So purely by default, the havent a clue and are just a tool for the media to spout more crap to keep a subject going where they wouldnt have anything to say otherwise.

So, yes they are wrong, yet again. and will be again and again because they arent there to get FACTS but only to create and generate 'media time'.

 

[Triggaaar]

We will have a recession, as you are the resident pedant, I should point out that I never said it was a fact, just that I was not guessing

You said it was a certainty:

I don't think anyone was expecting a serious worldwide recession, but it is a certainty for the UK

You're saying it will happen and that it's a certainty, yet you're trying to argue that you didn't say it was a fact. Do you speak English?

The only way we will avoid recession is if government abandons the austerity program completely, and borrows beyond our means, possibly a bit of quantative easing on top

Oh, so it's not a certainty anymore then

 

[Soulman]

Carry on believing the risible Daily Express if you wish but far from being out of the woods most people think the economy hasn't even entered them yet.

Fair enough, perhaps when we enter the woods the dooming can start, or not as the case may be, surely until then the constant barrage of "suspected" doom can be put on the shelf. You may have plenty of time to revel in the demise of our green and pleasant land, i'm sure it will bring a satisfied smile to your face.
If things go ok, then we shall be free and decisions made in THIS country.

 

[Triggaaar]

No, I was trying to point out the irony of not believing the predictions of post Brexit economic recession, but being comforted by the current predictions from the same experts.

That's not ironic. If the experts predicted doom and gloom, and now those same experts say it's probably not going to be so bad, that's good news.

I believe the original predictions of doom and gloom were on the basis of immediate invocation of article 50. If and when that happens I expect it to get pretty gloomy.

Invoking article 50 won't suddenly remove us from the EU. Markets have already reacted to the fact we're leaving. International companies that might invest here have already reacted to the fact we're leaving. They're not going to keep ploughing money into the UK and then suddenly stop when article 50 is triggered, that's just the formal legal start of the process, but it's clear the decision to leave has already been taken, and investors have responded.

Not that I'd be surprised if there is a recession in the coming years, I always thought there was a good chance of that, I'm just not as pessimistic as many remainers.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Fair enough, perhaps when we enter the woods the dooming can start, or not as the case may be, surely until then the constant barrage of "suspected" doom can be put on the shelf. You may have plenty of time to revel in the demise of our green and pleasant land, i'm sure it will bring a satisfied smile to your face.
If things go ok, then we shall be free and decisions made in THIS country.

I would hope everyone wants the best for this country, that all will be great, for us, our familes and friends. I certainly do. But that doesnt remove views of the implications and not sure why people dont want others to air them. we are are free nation after all

 

[Buzzer]

And reading on, Maurice Obstfeld of the IMF said that the IMF had been planning to revise up its growth for the world economy but Brexit had thrown a spanner in the works. The organisation said that its forecasts were based on the assumption that the EU and the UK would avoid a large increase in economic barriers. However, it has also drawn up 'severe' scenarios for the next two years, which include... Britain failing to agree a trading agreement with the EU..

Once can't help but wonder at the veracity of these predictions if the IMF was claiming less than 4 weeks ago that the UK would hit a terrible recession only to revise that to a steady 1.7% growth just 4 weeks later. I presume that they are using almost exactly the same parameters and data in both predictions, (if not, then there's no credibility to their data modelling), yet these figures are wildly apart. I think a very probable conclusion is that the pre-Brexit forecasts were at the very limits of their worst-case scenario whereas these later figures are a return to the normal and far more likely ranges and that the revision is because there's no need to try to scare the British public anymore.

I think that any organisation or person stating in June that the UK economy will contract by 5.5% and then in July say that it will probably grow by 1.7% is far more risible than a Daily Express article and it does damage to the credibility of the IMF and BoE. They shouldn't have bought into Project Fear.